Engine shutdown for type ride?

[getonit]

I am trying to find the FAR/PTS or whatever reference says you have to shut down an engine for a type ride. I don't doubt that it needs to be done, but I would like to be able to find all of the details.

 

[RTN137]

I've had a couple type rides in an actual airplane and never had an engine shut down, simulated only. You dont want to cause an emergency buy trying to simulate one.
The sim type rides are a different story.

 

[JAFI]

Maybe you didn’t look hard enough???



http://av-info.faa.gov/data/practicalteststandard/faa-s-8081-5d.pdf


ATP PTS Airplane (FAA-S-8081-5D change 1)

C. TASK: POWERPLANT FAILURE—MULTIENGINE

AIRPLANE

REFERENCES: Part 61; POH, AFM.

NOTE: When not in an FTD or a flight simulator, the feathering of one propeller must be demonstrated in any multiengine airplane equipped with propellers (includes turboprop), which can be safely feathered and unfeathered while airborne. In a multiengine jet airplane, one engine must be shut down and a restart must be demonstrated while airborne. Feathering or shutdown should be performed only under conditions, and at such altitudes (no lower than 3,000 feet [900 meters] AGL) and in a position where a safe landing can be made on an established airport in the event difficulty is encountered in unfeathering the propeller or restarting the engine. At an altitude lower than 3,000 feet (900 meters) AGL, simulated engine failure will be performed by setting the powerplant controls to simulate zero-thrust. In the event propeller cannot be unfeathered or engine air started during the test, it should be treated as an emergency. When authorized and conducted in a flight simulator, feathering or shutdown may be performed in conjunction with any procedure or maneuver and at locations and altitudes at the discretion of the examiner. However, when conducted in an FTD, authorizations shall be limited to shutdown, feathering, restart, and/or unfeathering procedures only. See appendix 1.

 

[Russ]

There is a difference between a type ride and an ATP ride. I have been through two type rides and have never done anything other than pull one back and simulate a failure. I also had my ATP prior to my first type ride. If you combine a type and ATP on the same ride then you might have to cage one, but not for a type alone.

 

[RTN137]

I had a couple type rides before I did my ATP, all in actual aircraft and never had one shut down. Its no big deal, but if you shut one down there is always the chance it wont light-off,or wont come out of feather. Then its no longer a check ride, its an actual problem.
Check flight over till another day.

 

[Lead Sled]

OK you guys who have never shut one down and restarted it on a type ride...

Take your certificate out of your wallet, shred it, and mail the pieces to JAFI.

'Sled

 

[JAFI]

Lead, if they just read the PTS I posted they would know which aircraft MUST have an engine shut down and which aircraft MAY have one shut down. But why ruin the "tribal knowledge" with a reference from the offical document. ...

P.S. Certificates are not shreaded by an Inspector, they are sent to the Regional Council who sends them to OK City Regrestry who has a disposal process. Just FYI.

JAFI