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Emirates Airlines application ???

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dually

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Emirates Airlines application ???

The Emirates Airline application has two questions I dont understand .

#1. What type ATP do you have, ATP or ATPL ?

#2. Do you have an outstanding bond amount ?

Does anybody know what an ATPL is and what is meant by outstanding bond amount ?

They have a very detailed flight time breakdown that does not include B737-200. They start the B-737 series at -300.
If anyone is familiar with this company do you think this might be an oversight and would it be acceptable to include -200 time with - 300 time ?


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Emirates

Hey,

I'm not sure that I can answer your questions correctly, but I'll give it a shot.

An ATPL is an ICAO Country issued ATP, except it has an expiration date on it. Kinda like a CFI. The Bond amount issue, just put no.

I applied there shortly after 9/11 and was called for an interview shortly there after. My (soon to be ex) wife was absoutly not going to go there with me, so I emailed them back and canceled my interview. Big mistake.

I have a friend there now who is pretty happy with it. They are currently hiring direct entry captains into the A330 and B777 and the total package is impressive.

I don't know if you've ever been to Dubai, but it is a world class city, not quite the third world s#*t box that you would expect.

I've reapplied since canceling my interview and haven't heard anything, so I assume that you get no second chance.

If you would like to talk to a real Emirates guy before you go interview, PM me and I'll put you in touch.

Good luck,

Stank
 
I have many former colleagues who went to Emirates. They were happy...........the operative word is "were". Unless you got in at the beginning, ie. after 911, you have about a 70% chance of being bypassed for an upgrade. The requirements for direct entry is 10,000, with about 2000 hours left seat on the 330 or 777. They will mislead you and make everything sound very fancy.

Yes, Dubai is cosmopolitan, but on an FO's salary.....go by yourself. After you pay the upgrade for acceptable accomodations and pay for your Toyota Land Cruiser, you are just scraping by. The 10 year plan at Emirates is exclusively a 10 year plan in the left seat.

Finally, remember you are only a hired hand there. Should you have the misfortune of having a Rolls Silver Spur cross three lanes of traffic and hit you in your Land Cruiser, it WILL be your fault.

These are facts. What is also fact is that Etihad is gaining many pilots while Emirates is losing them.........plus that's where the real money is. Might as well make it worth your while if you will be living in a place that costs more than Manhattan, has less to do then standing on the top of a mountain peak, and really revolves around the oldest trade in the world........which has nothing to do with oil.

Think about it...............
 
Land Green said:
a place that costs more than Manhattan, has less to do then standing on the top of a mountain peak

What about the Irish Village?! Oh wait, I was drunk every time I was there...
 
dually:

First to answer your questions.

#1 already answered

#2 A bond is an agreement that you sign similar to a training contract. If you are working in the USA it is highly unlikely that you are bonded. Emirates has a three year bond for $36,000. Which means that if you leave within three years of final line check then you owe them a prorated amount of that money.

#3 The reason that they make a difference between the 737-200 and -300 is because of an arbitrary weight qualification used in determining upgrade candidates. The wanted to eliminate Bae-146 captains from fast track command potential and set a weight limit of 55 Tonnes. The 737-200 comes in under that weight limit while the -300 is over it. So keep them separate.

Some corrections to Land Green's statements. Direct Entry commands are presently being offered for pilots with 10,000 hours total time and 3000 PIC in jets over 55 tonnes. More realistically though they are only interviewing very highly qualified guys with either time in type or command time in the Airbus 320. They may be intervewing some 737 Efis or NG skippers as well but I haven't heard of any. More likely 767/757, A-320, A-300, B747.

I don't disagree that the recruitment team puts on a good show for interviewees, but what airline doesn't ? I also don't disagree that the time to upgrade for new hires is going to be significantly longer if they maintain the direct entry program. I estimate a new hire today would take 5 to 7 years to get to the left seat. Still not bad for a widebody command in the big scheme of things. If we do away with the direct entry program then it could be faster but the airline has reached that critical point in the growth where it is going to slow down regardless of direct entry or not.

It isn't necessary to pay for an upgrade to acceptable accomodations for most people. True some guys got stuck in less than stellar places but most have a decent place to live. I live in a 3 bedroom, 3.5 bath flat on the 33rd story of a highrise that has a nice gym on the 36th floor and a pool on the roof. My wife and I are quite happy with it. If you have kids then they provide a villa and some of the recent ones are quite big. It isn't the States but nor is it Asia so it is all kind of relative. They are much bigger than anything you could get in Hong Kong, Singapore, Taipei, or Japan but maybe a little smaller than what you are used to in the States.

Should you have the misfortune of having a Rolls Silver Spur cross three lanes of traffic and hit you in your Land Cruiser, it WILL be your fault.
Actually a friend of mine had her car hit in the parking lot of a grocery store by a Mercedes that had somehow managed to cross over multiple lanes and a sidewalk and it was the Mercedes drivers fault. While your example does have some truth to it that isn't always the case and their is a known technique to combat having something that is clearly not your fault blamed on you.

What is also fact is that Etihad is gaining many pilots while Emirates is losing them.........plus that's where the real money is.
I am actually advising my friends that Etihad is the better place to go right now but mostly for the upgrade potential. They are a small airline with ambitious plans and the backing of the Abu Dhabi royal family. Still Abu Dhabi isn't as nice a place to live as Dubai and is actually much more expensive for accomodation if you leave the company provided villas. It has been rumored that 3 pilots resigned this week, two heading for a training gig with Singapore Airlines and one to Dragonair. Not sure if it is true though. Kinda hoping that more will resign because then the airline will be forced to really review the compensation level which is a tad low.

Definitely a lot of hookers in Dubai but it is hardly the economic driver for the city. With that I better go now.


Typhoonpilot
 
My husband and I met in Dubai while I was working for Emirates as a flight attendant and he was hauling freight around the Middle East. He's now working for a carrier here but we'd like to return to Dubai so he's working on getting his application together for Emirates. I still have two very close friends working for EK, both are flight attendants. There are also one or two pilots who may remember me if I got in touch with them. My question basically is directed at Typhoonpilot - does it help if you know people in the company who can get your resume to the right people? To be honest, I'm not sure who those "right people" would be but if you can suggest anyone I would really appreciate it. I would love to be back in Dubai as I miss the lifestyle and my friends.

DK

Ps.You can email me directly with any info you can come up with. I'm sure we know a few of the same people!
 
The only official way for someone to help a pilot applicant is to get someone who has flown with him to write a letter of recommendation. That person must have been at Emirates for one year before they can write an official letter of rec. Having said that, if you know any pilots willing to drop by the recruitment office and put in a good word for your husband then that can also be helpful. It would be good if they know his application reference number before going in.

If he is a current 757 F.O. ( looking at the profile ) then chances are good that he can get an interview in the near future. The 777 hiring will start building up towards the end of the year as we start taking more of those from March, 2005. Being current in the 777, 747,757/767 or even 737NG will give someone a leg up on the competition as they qualify for a shorter transition course.


Typhoonpilot
 
Typhoonpilot, thanks for responding so quickly! We'll keep our fingers crossed that he gets an interview. Btw, do you feel there would be any discrimination at all against US applicants? I'm guessing you're American from your posts. From my own experience at EK(I'm Aussie)I know there was at least one American pilot when I was there(I left Dec'99) and I think one F/A so I don't think they do discriminate but my husband isn't so sure. Since speaking with my girlfriends who are still there they've said there are now about 3pilots and maybe 10cabin crew all American. Do those numbers sound about right? I know Emirates tends to employ people from each destination they fly to - particularly when they begin new routes. Although they start flying to NY in June is there still a particular demand on their part for US flight crew?

DK

Ps.Sorry for hijacking the thread - hope some of my questions are of interest to others applying to Emirates!
 

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