Embry-Riddle CAPT Program Canceled??

[Northpilot]

I heard the Embry-Riddle CAPT program has been canceled. Has anyone heard if this is so?

 

[gkrangers]

I have a buddy who is an instructor there. I saw him last weekend. Said everything was fine. Hes gettin lots of multi time (pullin down around 40k) and they are placing plenty of students. He says they have an in with NetJets and hes waiting on that.

 

[ozpilot]

Oh, do tell more. That rumors been going around for years. Pilot minimums at Netjets are:

• Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (Multi-Engine Land)
• Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
• 2500 hours total pilot time
• 500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
• 250 hours instrument time

thats in the contract with each owner. So I wonder how we could hire anyone with less time than that.

So if your friend has heard otherwise I would be very interested.

 

[lear24]

Oh, do tell more. That rumors been going around for years. Pilot minimums at Netjets are:

• Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (Multi-Engine Land)
• Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
• 2500 hours total pilot time
• 500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
• 250 hours instrument time

thats in the contract with each owner. So I wonder how we could hire anyone with less time than that.

So if your friend has heard otherwise I would be very interested.

Please explain why a flight instructor could not meet all of those minimums, then jump back on this guy's case.

 

[USMCmech]

So if your friend has heard otherwise I would be very interested.

His freind was probably a CFI teaching the CAPT students. By all acounts the CFIs working that program had a good deal while the poor smucks that paid 80K for their Comm MEL got the shaft.

 

[Metro752]

Please explain why a flight instructor could not meet all of those minimums, then jump back on this guy's case.

yeah, a lot of CFI's aren't goobers and get a ton of time in instructing. I'm sure babysitting riddle rats is good flight time

 

[SAEflyer]

I know a lot of people there, and a lot more going there and i have never heard of any riddle instructors getting the job. Most all have jet time, the ones that don't usually at least have some PIC turbo prop. 2500 hrs, 500 multi and 250 instrument sure is a lot of instructing to do.

 

[ozpilot]

Please explain why a flight instructor could not meet all of those minimums, then jump back on this guy's case.

Good point, I had not consider the instructors. Sorry.

The rumor we keep hearing is an ab-inito program (graduates not Instructors), thats why I asked the question. It wasn't my intent to 'jump on this guys case'.

 

[indianboy7]

I heard the Embry-Riddle CAPT program has been canceled. Has anyone heard if this is so?

It's absolutely true........i'm very glad to hear it too.......

here it is straight from the horse's mouth

http://www.erau.edu/er/newsmedia/newsreleases/2006/captends.html

 

[lawfly]

Embry-Riddle CAPT Program

When I 1st read gkrangers' post, it seemed to me that he was referring to the CAPT program enrollees, to an ab initio type program with NetJets, not to any employment prospects for the program's instructors. His post, as I read it, was that the CAPT program was fine and that some connection to NetJets was contemplated. Indeed, gkrangers' NetJets reference immediately followed his statement that "they are placing plenty of STUDENTS" (emphasis supplied). So, the fellow who posted the NetJets mins should not be attacked--his was a reasonable interpretation of gkrangers' post. NetJets application materials describe the posted mins as inflexible--they are not ab initio-friendly.
In any event, the subsequent posting makes clear that the CAPT program is in shutdown mode.

 

[EDUC8-or]

I knew a few guys who instructed there and the mins for a CFI job were close to ATP mins and they wanted to see about 1000 dual given. The pay for the iinstructors was good and they were flying lots, so I could easily see them meeting the requirements for NetJets.

 

[Limeyflyer]

I checked the facilities out with my brother last year,they were nice but not needed. I went to Riddle, had a great education but the costs are insane. My brother was accepted to the CAPT program, was given the run around on some of his questions,said screw it and ended up going to ATP in FL. He got all his ratings in 3 months. He got plenty of time building done and is now working as an instructor for my company and will be flying corporate in a yr to a yr and a half. Screw the CAPT program, waste of money, glad it is gone.

 

[cforst513]

i've heard this rumor is true. i think there's a new guy in charge at Riddle, and he doesn't think that CAPT was making money. oh well. i hope someone up there teaches the kids how to fly a freakin' pattern.

 

[:-)]

Please explain why a flight instructor could not meet all of those minimums, then jump back on this guy's case.

A flight instructor might meet the mins, even far exceed them; but if he's doing his job as an instructor, he's not flying, and he's not gaining the experience truly needed to succeed in the corporate environment. Instructing at a big school is about the most controlled environment a professional could fly in, and corporate ops are just about the opposite. The only job I can think of that requires more independent thought than a corporate/fractional job would be a worldwide air ambulance job.
Sorry, but being a CFI in central FL doesn't prepare one for those challenges. Not that CFI's aren't smart/dedicated/professional/safe pilots, but the job doesn't prepare you for day to day corporate/line ops. Don't flame, I too was a CFI at a big school in a controlled environment.

 

[gkrangers]

Yeah, I should have been clearer about what I said in the first post. But I guess that all doesn't matter now.

Funny, first I heard of it being cancelled was from the chick that cuts my hair a few weeks ago. Guess shes more in the know than me?

Now I wonder where all those aircraft will go. While I'm not part of the flight program here in Daytona....they sure as hell could use some more airplanes for the amount of students there are.

 

[cforst513]

you think riddle would lease them back to epic? we need a few more a/c too.

 

[gkrangers]

you think riddle would lease them back to epic? we need a few more a/c too.

I think Riddle would nuke Epic before it leased them airplanes.

Hey, are you home? I wanna know the details of how you and Leigh went about doing the CMEL. Time, cost, how you met all the requirements, etc...thanks buddy.

 

[cforst513]

I think Riddle would nuke Epic before it leased them airplanes.

yeah, with all those C172 Gunships they have.... heh heh, i'll IM you the CMEL details.

 

[gkrangers]

yeah, with all those C172 Gunships they have.... heh heh, i'll IM you the CMEL details.

DUDE, Normandy stripes! Those things are packin! The Seminoles are heavy bombers.

 

[Limeyflyer]

I saw one of the old stripers up in Harbor Springs Michigan the other day. Brought back scary memories.