E170 arrives in FLL

[DrinkSweetTea]

Check out what airliners.net found

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/524231/L/

 

[FurloughedAgain]

MidAtlantic.... or Mesatauqua?

It is a very beautiful machine. However...

I dont care for the rediculously low wages on an aircraft that is obviously replacing the F28, F100, DC9-10, DC9-30, and/or 737-200.

The association really let us (the industry) all down... again.

 

[lowecur]

Re: MidAtlantic.... or Mesatauqua?

It is a very beautiful machine. However...

I dont care for the rediculously low wages on an aircraft that is obviously replacing the F28, F100, DC9-10, DC9-30, and/or 737-200.

The association really let us (the industry) all down... again.

Wages are very low. Seniors at UAIR sold the juniors down the river to protect their jobs and wages. But if it wasn't them it would have been Mesa or Chautauqua.

This a/c will not replace most of those a/c. It's really a tweener, and will be used to pry business away from both the 50 seaters and the CRJ700's and 900's. Full size cabin and overheads with 2X2 seating will assure repeat business. Plus jetway access will make it a favorite in the NE in the winter.

The 190/195 will be the replacment for those a/c you mentioned. It will also bring future wages for all 737 equip except the 738 or 739 in play. WN is going to have a hell of a time when their contract comes due in a few years. Mesa will probably be flying the 190/195 at wages just above the 170, and this will set the stage for further deflation of wages throughout the industry. Even B6 may have to reduce wages on the 320 if WN has to accept a lower scale on expiration of their contract. The skys at LUV will not be so friendly in a few years. Of course I'll bet the senior guys over their would gladly accept the E-series to protect their existing contracts just like what happened at UAIR.

I certainly didn't invision these types of contracts. Of course, once the dust settles in 5 or 10 years and profits resume, the pilots will be back in charge.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

According to USAir, the EMB170 is a 70 or 78 passenger airplane depentant upon configuration.

DC9-10 Seating Capacity: 78 pax
F28-1000 Seating Capacity: 65 pax
F100 Seating Capacity: 100 pax
737-200 Seating Capacity: 100 pax
BAe 146 Seating Capacity: 82 pax
Bac 1-11 Seating Capacity: 85 pax

(the above information may vary slightly depending upon operator)

 

[lowecur]

According to USAir, the EMB170 is a 70 or 78 passenger airplane depentant upon configuration.

DC9-10 Seating Capacity: 78 pax
F28-1000 Seating Capacity: 65 pax
F100 Seating Capacity: 100 pax
737-200 Seating Capacity: 100 pax
BAe 146 Seating Capacity: 82 pax
Bac 1-11 Seating Capacity: 85 pax

(the above information may vary slightly depending upon operator)

I think most of those planes other than the DC-9 are in short supply. God only knows how much longer NWA can keep flying them. Certainly United may phase out the 146 if they acquire the 170.

The bulk of the ASM's today for the 170 to pursue will be the 50 seat market. Ergonomically and economically, none of the 50 seaters can compete with the 170. Those routes will be easy pickn's for whoever acquires the 170. They can cut frequency by 1/3, and still supply the ASM's needed for a market. In stead of 7 flights per day from SYR to ORD for UAL, you may see 5 flights per day. The competition is Eagle with the 145's. They will eat Eagle's lunch unless they acquire some 170's or put the MD80's back in the market.

 

[jdog78]

I think the MA is midatlantic, not mesa. The first 170s are supposedly going to midatlantic since they're the launch customer.

-j

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I didn't mean to imply that the airplanes I compared the 170 to were NOT in short supply but rather that we (as pilots) have managed our expectations down to such a point that we believe it is perfectly reasonable to fly a "small" jet for significantly less than we would have a generation ago.

I drew comparisons of aircraft that were traditionally (albeit some pre-deregulation) flown on major airline property and for wages and working conditions far superior than what is likely to be the industry standard on the 170 and its sisters.

For example:

Bac 1-11: American, Allegheny (USAir), Braniff
DC9-10: Delta, Allegheny (USAir), Northwest, Eastern
F28: Piedmont
F100: USAir, American, Midway
BAe 146: PSA (USAir)

Airplanes with 70 - 100 seats which were traditionally part of the major-airline fleet, staffed with pilots with significantly better pay and benefits than what similar aircraft offer today.

I'm just complaining. Don't mind me.

 

[DenverDude2002]

From http://www.chipsplace.com/rumors/news/1_2_04airlinenews.html

US Airways Tidbits
MidAtlantic Airways EMB-170 Tail #N801MA

Complete Story: http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=&picid=802


So it looks like it is ineed a MidAtlantic Airways bird.

 

[LittleDeuce]

ERJ-170

Those are Mid Atlantic Airplanes. They were flown up from Brazil to FLL for a maintanence inspection, and then they will be flown to PIT on Monday for FAM flights, Proving runs and Initial Cadre IOE.

The first scheduled flight is April 4.

 

[lowecur]

Duece

How many do you expect on property in the next 30 days? I know production is close to a dozen, but Alitalia has a few of those.

 

[DenverDude2002]

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=241302 Looks like bird #2 is N802MD

 

[FADECtoBLACK]

So it looks like it is ineed a MidAtlantic Airways bird.

Yeah, but its more scandalous if the MA stands for Mesa Air!

 

[LittleDeuce]

ERJ-170

The plan is to bring up 4 a month so we have about 40 by the end of the year.

We will all take turns going down to Brazil and bringing them back.

 

[4lowed]

Little Deuce,
Got bad news for you. None of us are going to Brazil to pick up those birds. There is a COB out for ERJ170 delivery pilots. You must be on the APL to be considered. You will be manged by Contract Training. There are no health benefits, and you are paid only daily rates. The COB says there are openings for two pilots. This was agreed to by ALPA to keep the resident Eastern SCAB at MAA out of our planes.
4lowed