Dropping Trips at ASA

[CFI2766]

I have an opportunity to do some side work 3 days a week (not in ATL). How feasible is it to drop trips enough to do another job for that much time. It is flexible, so maybe 2 days a week every so often would be okay.

I know the time would come off my guarantee, but the other income would more than compensate for the loss. Is there anything to worry about here as far as getting fired is concerned?

 

[atrdriver]

No, you don't need to worry about getting fired, but a straight drop is pretty unusual to get from scheduling. Normally anytime that you want to just drop a trip they figure that you have something important to do and they deny it.

 

[shamrock]

If you can't bid enough days off you can try the Flica trade board. If you're doing well with the side job you could sweeten the pot by offering some cash so some poor SOB (like me) who's tastes exceed his income will pick up the trip.

 

[Palerider957]

If you can't bid enough days off you can try the Flica trade board. If you're doing well with the side job you could sweeten the pot by offering some cash so some poor SOB (like me) who's tastes exceed his income will pick up the trip.

I used to try this, but had minimal success. I had a couple of trips I really needed to drop, and I offered over a $100 to do so.....no one bit. I ended up calling in sick.

That is the real lesson: If you REALLY need some time off at ASA, don't ask--take it off. Really, they can't discipline you for calling off sick. They say they can, but they can't.

I called off sick for the entire week of Christmas/New years and didn't even get called in for it.

Just don't answer your phone after calling in sick, and don't non-rev. IF you do get called in, just make a stink--"are telling me I should have flown sick??? Let me get my union rep in here"--will cure a CP's curiosity.

 

[shamrock]

I used to try this, but had minimal success. I had a couple of trips I really needed to drop, and I offered over a $100 to do so.....no one bit. I ended up calling in sick.

Just trying to look out for myself , but yeah, I would think it might be tough. There's one FO that was building a house out of state recently who was smart and bid day lines so the trips were easier to get rid off. You have to have trips that are easy to pick up and fit into someone's schedule. I always laugh when I see someone trying to drop a 19 hour 3 day on the trade board. I find it hard to imagine many situations where someone has a schedule that would allow them to pick up 19 hours and not run into flight time limitations.

That is the real lesson: If you REALLY need some time off at ASA, don't ask--take it off.

Sad, but completely true. Unfortunately the Company doesn't see that their archaic attendance policy and our inability to occasionally drop a trip backfires on them when people have to resort to calling in sick when they need time off.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Don't call in sick. You'd be double dipping, getting paid by ASA (sick pay) and the side job. That's fraud and if you are discovered doing a side job while on sick pay, you WILL be fired. Now that you've told the world you're going to do it here, they'll be looking.

Call in "miscellaneous". You just call scheduling and say "I need to call in miscellaneous for xxx trip on the xxth". You'll get an occurance but that's all. And you can do it any time you want, provided you have the occurances to burn.

 

[EatinRamen]

Hey how many occurances do we get? Is it 7 plus 3 no shows?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Hey how many occurances do we get? Is it 7 plus 3 no shows?

7 in 12 months or 4 in three months, including 2 "no-shows". Second "no-show" in a year gets you suspended, third gets you fired.

Gotta call in more than 2 hrs prior to avoid a "no show". Guess you can't fall ill while on duty... gotta fly sick then or get a "no-show", lol

 

[bailout]

Don't call in sick. You'd be double dipping, getting paid by ASA (sick pay) and the side job. That's fraud and if you are discovered doing a side job while on sick pay, you WILL be fired.

Wrong. So, if I have a head cold I cant fly, are you saying I cant enter data into a computer at my other job? Or sell houses, etc....

 

[shamrock]

7 in 12 months or 4 in three months, including 2 "no-shows".

So what will that get you? I've had several 3 in 6 or 4 in 12 warnings but have never ventured past that. Just curious what will happen if I were to get sick in the next 6 months.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

So what will that get you? I've had several 3 in 6 or 4 in 12 warnings but have never ventured past that. Just curious what will happen if I were to get sick in the next 6 months.

Double-Secret Probation

 

[shamrock]

I had heard you had to have a double secret "meeting" with Ass. Chief Pilot CV, off airport property, but nobody who's been through it is willing to talk.

 

[PA-44Typed]

I think that you will be on reserve for a long time at ASA anyway. From what the ASA guys on here say you can’t really have much of a life on reserve, let alone some kind of schedule to depend on.

 

[ASADriver]

Pretty hard to get fired here. If you do, you probably deserved it. I have called in sick, gotten the letters, gotten the counseling, and still no problem. Worry about something more important.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Just call in sick for 3 days and go see a doctor to have the FMLA paperwork filled out. Just remember, your ear hurt bad so you didn't want to risk your health and fly. FMLA = no occurance.

 

[ASARJMan]

Pretty hard to get fired here. If you do, you probably deserved it. I have called in sick, gotten the letters, gotten the counseling, and still no problem. Worry about something more important.

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[shamrock]

I have called in sick, gotten the letters, gotten the counseling....

I have to wonder why somebody who calls in sick needs "counseling".

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

I had heard you had to have a double secret "meeting" with Ass. Chief Pilot CV, off airport property, but nobody who's been through it is willing to talk.

Lemme get this straight....at ASA, do you sit reserve, or sit on CV's lap?

 

[shamrock]

Lemme get this straight....at ASA, do you sit reserve, or sit on CV's lap?

You sit reserve on CV's lap. I understand there are a few posters here who come in on their off days to do that and they aren't even on reserve.

 

[ASADriver]

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