Driving violation question

[smokey999]

Here's the deal. I was charged with DUI. Went to court for the license hearing to fight the automatic license revocation. I won and they recinded the revocation, or overturned it, and refunded the fines I had to pay to get it back. I was offered a dry careless.(careless without any notation of alcohol) My DMV report just says "careless driving". I just had an interview. Was asked. any alcohol driving offenses? I answered no. Asked any violations? I said I have a careless driving. On the application I checked that my drivers license has never been suspended or revoked. If by some reason the NDR screwed up and didn't remove the revocation, do you think this would come across as me lying? Also, even though the careless driving stemmed from a DUI, it is not an "alcohol offense". Do you think they would see it the same way. I was never asked about it in the interview, surprisingly.

 

[SWAdude]

Tough call. I believe you can check your record with the NDR. I would if I were you. If you get caught in anything that looks like a mis-truth you probably will not be offered a position.

This is an excellent question that applies somewhat to many applicants. Please keep everyone informed.

SWAdude

 

[Intruder One]

You are a perfect candidate fot Jet Blue.

 

[speedbird1974]

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/perform/driver/pub/PRIVACY.PDF

 

[YODA]

I am going to give you a piece of advice that you probably do not want to hear. Put it down as it happened, if you got a DUI and it was reduced, your driving record may show it a being a lesser charge but a criminal background check will show what it was (DUI) and what it was reduced to (reckless driving etc..). If you do not speak up when asked and tell the truth, and it wouldn't hurt to have the documentation, when they find it, and it can be found, they might view you a being less than honest and you will definatly be screwed. My whole point is, I see why you want to put the offense down as what it currently is documented as in your record but, courts have the documentation that can show the original charge so it is in the system somewhere. Be careful, I would rather fess-up to something I did wrong and show honesty than get caught trying to hide something that sooner or later will get me terminated.

Good luck, hope this helps..

 

[charlie1]

NEWS FLASH: DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE!!!

It's sad to read about stories like yours. You knew before you jumped into your sled that you were a "little" tipsy, yet, you went ahead and fired up your four-wheeler. Your probably the type that goes around flaunting that your a pilot, wearing the glasses, jacket, and maybe even have a few stickers on your flight bag when in reality you haven't even scared yourself out in the real world of flying. Well, Mr. I'm a prospective-airline pilot with a DUI (allegedly), now your going to sit around and hope that someone on an interview board graces you with their sympathy and gives you a job. Haven't you heard of designated drivers? And if you do get lucky and land a job, as you're doing now, you'll never admit to it that you might lack the control to not do it again. That my friend were lies the real danger.

NOTICE TO MY "RESPONSIBLE" PILOTS: Learn from this and don't try to make it easy for him by giving him advice and how to beat the system, it will only backfire on all of us who to try to make the right choices. Do you want to fly with someone who can't dicifer between right and wrong?

 

[chuychanga]

Get those copies of your state and NDR records. Whatever they call it is what you should call it.

 

[Crizz]

NEWS FLASH: DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE!!!

It's sad to read about stories like yours. You knew before you jumped into your sled that you were a "little" tipsy, yet, you went ahead and fired up your four-wheeler. Your probably the type that goes around flaunting that your a pilot, wearing the glasses, jacket, and maybe even have a few stickers on your flight bag when in reality you haven't even scared yourself out in the real world of flying. Well, Mr. I'm a prospective-airline pilot with a DUI (allegedly), now your going to sit around and hope that someone on an interview board graces you with their sympathy and gives you a job. Haven't you heard of designated drivers? And if you do get lucky and land a job, as you're doing now, you'll never admit to it that you might lack the control to not do it again. That my friend were lies the real danger.

NOTICE TO MY "RESPONSIBLE" PILOTS: Learn from this and don't try to make it easy for him by giving him advice and how to beat the system, it will only backfire on all of us who to try to make the right choices. Do you want to fly with someone who can't dicifer between right and wrong?

Rock on dude, well said... A drunk driver almost killed my mother. She will live with serious medical problems the rest of her life because of some dumba$$ with a set of keys didnt have the sense to not drive after 8 hours of drinking.

My uncle was killed at the hands of a drunk driver. I was too young to know him when it happened, but it has left a scar on the rest of my family and my aunt, his wife.

I dont have much sympathy for anyone who drives after intoxication. The stigma is in place for very good reason.

I wish you luck in your career, but dont ask for any sympathy when you are denied a job for your alcohol offense.

 

[Aztec Pilot]

Charlie1,

I don't think Smokey999 is interested in your sanctimonious attitude; don't you think that he has regretted his action a million times over and learned his lesson? If you haven't got any sound advice to give him (other than critizing him and displaying a holier than thou attitude), then keep your thoughts to yourself!!!

 

[charlie1]

I'll be the first to buy the first round of drinks, but I know when to call someone to pick me up after several drinks. All I'm saying is to be accountable for your actions.

 

[No2Bttmfeeders]

I would be honest and tell the company what happened. All u need is a background check to come back and disqual u from the job either in training or when you are on the line.

Tough choice but in the end I think honesty has always paid off..

Good luck

 

[C150Commuter]

I'll be the first to buy the first round of drinks, but I know when to call someone to pick me up after several drinks. All I'm saying is to be accountable for your actions.

Its hard to make a case against drunk driving, when you say that you have no problem having a drink or two and driving....as long as it isn't "several." You can most certainly be charged with DUI even if your blood alcohol level is below the legal limit...especially if you get into an accident.

 

[smokey999]

Thanks for the replies. I got offered the job today and am very exited. Since reading all the posts and doing some serious research I feel much more comfortable. My main concern wasn't getting caught in a lie, because I didn't lie. Since my revocation was rescinded, it really didn't happen. Basically it means the court said "we were wrong, we're going to erase this, and refund your fees". Also, no matter what the record shows, what I was asked was whether I had an "alcohol offense". Even if the records show I was charged with DUI and pleaded down to a dry careless, I still did not lie. Plus, its not like I bent the truth or skirted the issue in the interview. They were aware I had the careless before the interview and chose not to ask about it. Here is one little piece of information I found out. The NDR doesn't neccisarily hand out a list of your violations to the air carrier requesting it. The report just says the states you have a record in and gives the phone number for that driving records office. This means that if you are on file at the NDR, really you can see what is on file by checking with the state. Below is directly from NDR page.

Air Carriers for Pilot Applicants

The Pilot Records Improvement Act of 1996 requires an air carrier, before hiring an individual as a pilot, to request, with the individual's written consent, the Chief Driver licensing official of a state to perform a National Driver Register (NDR) file check. Any information you receive from the NDR should be made available to the employee. If you receive information from the NDR indicating that an individual is on file you will be provided with the name of the State, the address and telephone number in order to request a copy of the driver record to verify that it is the same individual. Information on the NDR file that was reported by the States during the past 5-years and any withdrawal action still in effect will be disclosed.

 

[rumorhasit]

does anyone know if an applicant is currently working for a carrier he/she wishes to fly for ...do they do another background check?

 

[Slye]

To blow or not to blow...

I have a "friend" who refused to blow one night five years ago and they suspended my....I mean his license for one year, no if, ands or buts. The DUI charge was reduced to reckless (non-alchohol related) but the refusal to submit suspension is going to be on "his" record forever (NDR).
Good Luck

This brings up a good question. Assuming you made the mistake of driving after having a few beers and a cop wants to give you a breath test, is it better to blow or not to blow? I also heard you can request a blood or urine test instead? I thought I heard that urine was the least accurate and it'll also give you some time. Bottom line is you shouldn't be in the situation anyway, but I'm just curious.

 

[wahoo250]

what state was this in?

 

[rumorhasit]

To future airline pilots...

When out skirt chasing ...think a little ahead and have a good time but don't be affraid not to drink...

Responsibility begins way before you get the airline job. Ask yourself if I get pulled over will I ever be able to get a job with an airline or is this drunked stuppor worth $25,000 for training and a career?

 

[wahoo250]

i second that...the hard way

 

[Nalo Boy]

what do they get for that pilot records improvement act anyway, is it a drivers abstract or something bigger? I cant imagine them digging too deep, its all about money.