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jetbluedog

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Some things never change........I'm glad I got out 10 years ago and have a REAL career now.

For some Mesaba pilots, one job doesn't pay the bills

01/07/2004

MINNEAPOLIS - Mesaba Airlines pilot Ian Barrett has two on-time arrivals to worry about - his flight from Thunder Bay, Ontario to the Twin Cities, and the start of his shift as a waiter at the Napa Valley Grille.

On one December morning, Barrett rose at 5 a.m. and flew a Saab turboprop and its passengers to the Twin Cities. After a brief stop at his home in Inver Grove Heights, he drove to the Mall of America to wait on tables. He left at about 4:30 p.m., spent a few hours with his son, then donned his navy blue pilot uniform and headed back to the airport to fly an evening trip to Thunder Bay.

Barrett, 27, doesn't know when he will step off of this two-job treadmill, where he earns $31,000 a year flying and $12,000 as a waiter. He and many other Mesaba pilots work second jobs, dashing the notion that all pilots live comfortably on six-figure salaries.

The issue might come to a head Friday night, as Mesaba pilots prepare to strike over salaries, job security and retirement benefits. The latest round of negotiations began Monday.

Eagan-based Mesaba, which provides regional service for Northwest Airlines, has been negotiating a contract with the pilots union since June 2001. About 65 percent of Mesaba's pilots earn $30,000 to $57,000 a year, according to the Mesaba unit of the Air Line Pilots Association.

"I only make $400 a week after taxes at Mesaba," Barrett said. "That's supposed to cover everything - living expenses, day care, food and a car payment. It doesn't. I have to work here (at the restaurant). I have no choice."

Many Mesaba pilots interviewed say they love aviation, so they've chosen to stay with Mesaba and work second jobs to cover their living expenses. As the son of an Air Force pilot, Barrett was drawn to airplanes as a child.

And there is the allure of flying itself. "I love seeing the aurora borealis, the sunsets and the sunrises" while piloting a plane, Barrett said. "It's not your typical office job."

Before the pilots opened contract talks in 2001, a union survey showed that about 17 percent of Mesaba pilots held second jobs, said Kris Pierson, a union spokesman.

Pierson, 28, is among the pilots who juggle two jobs. Although he holds a four-year degree in airway science and has been a Saab first officer since May 2000, Pierson often can be found working answering the 24-hour U.S. Bank help line between 2:30 p.m. and 1 a.m.

He makes $13,500 a year at the bank working 80 hours a month. In 2003, he earned $34,000 as a full-time pilot.

Pierson estimates that the portion of Mesaba pilots now working second jobs has grown to 25 percent to 30 percent.

After the 2001 terrorist attacks caused massive layoffs in the airline industry, more of Mesaba's 844 pilots pursued a second income because they wanted some financial security. More recently, the likelihood of a pilots strike prompted those with captains' seniority to find second jobs, Pierson said.

Matt Doehling, a farm boy from Winthrop, said uncertain contract negotiations led him to start Doehling Lawn and Landscape Service in April to supplement his income.

Doehling is a first officer or co-pilot on Saab turboprops and his gross income averages about $30,000 a year. After mowing lawns and doing landscaping work last summer, Doehling now is plowing snow for businesses and homeowners.

"I've been able to just about match dollar for dollar during the summer what I was making with Mesaba," Doehling said. He and his wife, Jessica, live in Shakopee. She works in human resources for a health care company.

Mesaba spokesman Dave Jackson declined to comment on the practice of pilots working second jobs.

"Pilot performance is excellent," Jackson said. "Our goal is to negotiate a fair agreement for the pilots that allows the company to survive and grow long-term."

Barrett and others are ready to strike to win a contract that mirrors agreements at other regional airlines. "I'll be walking a picket line," he said.

Barrett added, "I have many college buddies who work for Comair and Atlantic Coast and Air Wisconsin and they don't have to work two jobs to survive."
 
IMSAFE

The "IMSAFE" checklist comes to mind -- specifically the S-F-E (Stress, fatigue and Emotion) parts.

I get the impression that the Pilot/Waiter is doing Stand-ups, which means he's probably getting just a few hours of rest each night. After working as a waiter all day I would imagine that he is rather tired going to fly in the evening.

Good luck XJ!
 
I started delivering pizza 8.5 years ago to finance my certificates. I couldn't wait to be a full time pilot and drive a vehicle that didn't smell like stale cheese. I've been a full time pilot for 4 years now and a part time delivery driver for 8.5.
 
jetbluedog said:
Some things never change........I'm glad I got out 10 years ago and have a REAL career now

well, aren't you just the luckiest person to walk the face of the earth, working in an industry as stable as aviation, where you will never be laid off or hurting for money
 
Must you all be so negative?

We finally have an article that gives the real story behind pilot wages instead of painting them all as rich and overpaid.
 
dmspilot00 said:
Must you all be so negative?

We finally have an article that gives the real story behind pilot wages instead of painting them all as rich and overpaid.
Agreed. Finally a well written article about pilots and their wages. The last sentence though kinda keeps pupetuating the myth of the highly paid pilot.
 
I'm glad I got out 10 years ago and have a REAL career now

I had a REAL career when I was flying... Just not one that had a very bright future in terms of making the kind of money I wanted.

The nice thing is that after being out of flying full-time for 6 months, I am now making enough money to buy a nice airplane. Went and demoed a used SR22 yesterday and am looking at an used A36 this weekend.

I think I will enjoy flying on my terms. I still fly part time (the reverse of the guys in the story), but I am coming to a point where I value my time more than the day rate I am paid to fly the King Air. I think that will really become a bigger issue once I buy an airplane. It might not be a King Air 200, but it will be mine and will normally be headed where I want to go instead of where the GIB wants to.
 
well, aren't you just the luckiest person to walk the face of the earth, working in an industry as stable as aviation, where you will never be laid off or hurting for money

You can find stable jobs in aviation, just stay away from the meat grinder, cannon fodder jobs.

As far as hurting for money...ditto on the above. Places like that, make a profit off of the dreams of lemmings that sold their souls to high end flight schools, with Boeing 777's pictured on the cover of their brochures.

Hurting for money is a relative term. Some have made career choices, for one reason or another and are short on cash to pay the rent, car payment, insurance and heat bill. In my case, I'm hurting for money 'cause my Class III dealer has an Armalite AR-18 coming in soon, and he wants $5,800 for it. Will the hurting ever end?
 
The nice thing is that after being out of flying full-time for 6 months, I am now making enough money to buy a nice airplane. Went and demoed a used SR22 yesterday and am looking at an used A36 this weekend.
Actually, flying for one's own personal needs and enjoyment, is quite rewarding.
 

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