Does anyone fly a Citation 501 single pilot?

[Cheebs501]

I was just curious if anyone is currently flying one and where you do your recurrent. I was previously flying a 500 and 550 and always did recurrent at Simcom.
I was calling around to all the different schools and Flightsafety told me they couldn't do a 501 because their simulator is for two pilots. Now I am totally confused.
If I go to Simcom like I was planning, their sim is a 550. Will I be covered by insurance?
I guess I am looking for any insight anyone might have

 

[f-5]

There's A Boy In Knoxville, Tn @tys That Operates A 501 Single Pilot.....tacair Knows His Id.....865.970-9000....

 

[Smash312]

Call Simcom and talk to someone called Mr Yuji Sakata (Simcom Orlando). He'll help you out for sure.

 

[wildbill]

Try SimuFlite in Dallas. I did my single pilot on the Citation V there.

 

[Ultraman]

Try PrestoSIM in Grapevine, TX. They're in the old Quickturn facility. I just finished recurrent there and had a very good experience. I know that they can give you a single-pilot recurrent.

If you are flying a 501, it's my understanding that you wouldn't need to take the single-pilot ride because the 501 is certified single-pilot from the factory and therefore it doesn't require the waiver (boom mike, autopilot, ident button on the yoke).

Of course, I could be wrong. I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

 

[Groundpounder]

Call Simcom and talk to someone called Mr Yuji Sakata (Simcom Orlando). He'll help you out for sure.

I second that, he is the God of the 500 family.

FWIW you do all your training in the sim single pilot, but then you have to do the checkride in the actual airplane, or something like that,

 

[CapnVegetto]

Simuflite in DFW does it for sure. Give them a call.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Try PrestoSIM in Grapevine, TX. They're in the old Quickturn facility. I just finished recurrent there and had a very good experience. I know that they can give you a single-pilot recurrent.

If you are flying a 501, it's my understanding that you wouldn't need to take the single-pilot ride because the 501 is certified single-pilot from the factory and therefore it doesn't require the waiver (boom mike, autopilot, ident button on the yoke).

Of course, I could be wrong. I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

You are indeed correct. A CE-501 and CE-551 are both single pilot certified right out of the factory, so a CE-500 type covers you......no waiver required. Anybody with that type can get in it and fly it alone. However, insurance is a different story.

 

[Loco Gringo]

The SP’s are part 23 airplanes, no special single pilot training required, the other 500 series is part 25 so have to be operated with a single pilot exemption from part 25 and must do single pilot recurrent. I have flown a 501 with no single pilot training just get in and go.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

$0.02

Normally, the insurance increase is about the same as a yearly SIC pay.

CE

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

$0.02

Normally, the insurance increase is about the same as a yearly SIC pay.

CE

Or less. In my single pilot 550 days (two years ago) insurance ran an extra $9000 a year. (Hmmm, considering some of the boneheads taking the jobs now, maybe $9000 IS yearly F/O pay!)

Note: The insurance for SP ops is all over the board though, depending on the pilots times and background. Anything under 4000TT and 1000 jet appears to give the insurance company a bad case of the runs. Above that it is not too bad. Not that any insurance on a 4 mill jet is good anymore , but.....

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Hmmmm.... my info was incorrect. I thought it was an extra $15-20k.

Listen to snorter, he probably knows better.

CE

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Listen to snorter, he probably knows better.

CE

Ooooo, that would be a bad move, I can barely change my underwear by myself!!!!!

It is like anything else, buy a car at one dealer, drive across town and you see another price for the same thing. All I can attest to is what we got it for. Liability limits have a lot to do with it as well, most companies (If any) will touch SP ops for anything above 50 mill liability. Many companies I have seen prefer to carry 100 mill liability coverage, so that accounts for some of the huge bills out there.

As far as training costs for the 501 I have no clue. FS wanted 14k and change for recurrent SP training on the 550 (same price as initial with them minus about 500 bucks) Simuflite was 9700 (if memory serves)for recurrent SP. I do not know what their initial goes for.