Displaced? I Think Not!

[ICU]

Hey. In case know body has noticed ASA is once again awarding 200 positions out of seniority, does anyone even care?

The last round of displacements (3-11) had no resultant displacements, if you have your bid in for CRJ200 Cpt ATL and you are senior to any of the displaced guys you should have been awarded one of those slots, some of these guys should have been displaced to the ATR NOT the CRJ.

Think about it. By doing it this way its cheaper for the company, which is great for them but sucks for us. Why even bother fighting for a new contract when the company obviously is going throw it out the window when ever it suits them. WELL?

 

[sf3boy]

That is the way the crooks at Mesaba do it everytime an award comes out. They constantly do it wrong to save money and then spend double that in arbitration only to be told that they have to follow the contract. Any wonder why these financial geniuses are constantly losing money at the companies they run?

 

[ICU]

I spoke to one of the chief pilots the other day and he informed me with a straight face, that if the company had to go about displacements in the correct way, you know, USING THE SENIORITY LIST! this would cost the company a fortune in retraining. To which I tryed hard not to laugh. Call me old fashioned but is'nt the seniority list how we live and die in our world?
If so why are'nt ASA pilots not up in arms about this?

 

[FL000]

Apparently the company can put people in a lower status or previously qualified status without regard to seniority for 120 days. If it's out of domicile, it is considered a temporary postition. We'll have to wait 5 more months to see what comes of this (10/1 effective date), but for now it's kosher.

 

[colored_airman]

We at Pinnacle had a similiar situation when we phased our SAABs out of service. The company decides to place the senoir guys in class first for the CRJ, of course disregarding what the contract says. Later, the tables turned only after several gievances were on file. It probably wouldn't matter who goes to class first but its the principal.......and the fact that since this occur around October 2002 the senoir guys wanted those special holidays off while they wait, 6 weeks off w/pay I can't blame them.

 

[wms]

I think the rationale the company uses is that there were no vacancies posted for the CR2, and if there are no vacancies then there don't have to be awards. So they displace into that position and over-staff it even more. It's not right but the language in sec 24 is vague and they're using it to their advantage.

In Jan 01 I got displaced to DFW (the best thing that could happen after being on res for 1 1/2 years in ATL) on the first round of E120 displacements. Since then I've gotten two displacement letters as a CR2 CA. Fortunately, I've held on so far, but it's starting to get a little frustrating.

Just one more thing to clean-up in the new contract. One more thing to motivate us to hold out for what we want.

 

[ICU]

I think the rationale the company uses is that there were no vacancies posted for the CR2, and if there are no vacancies then there don't have to be awards. So they displace into that position and over-staff it even more. It's not right but the language in sec 24 is vague and they're using it to their advantage.

Good point but wrong!

If you look back to Position Notice 3-11 you will notice that the company conveniently omitted to post minimum positions on any of the a/c so how are we supposed to know if new vacancies have been posted or not.( check 24-3F 5 d of the contract )if there have been no new vacancies posted either, than can we next look forward to furloughs in the future? The company can not and should not be allowed to have it both ways. Either they displace and suffer the cost of resultants or the the status qo remains.

Again I say if there are know resultant vacancies then there has been an increase in positions if there have been know resultant vacancies on that particular aircraft. In addition to that there are people being displaced to the 200 who are not senior enough to hold it even in a displacement situation.

 

[wms]

That the company should not be allowed to do what they did is exactly my point. The ref you gave was an example of vague language and that the company can determine what is "pertinent info" is one of the problems.

There were two 3-11 notices, "a" & "b". On "a" there were resultant displacements in DFW on the prelims. At least five of us received displacement letters in DFW because originally that is where the ATL CR7 displacements were going to go IAW 24 G 2 a 1. Why they didn't displace in the order of sec 24 I don't know, other than McClain said they didn't want to displace out of domicile. But, if they had I'd be an FO.

I'm on your side. This all has to stop. The company has to decide what they're going to do and then shoot straight about it. I've been displaced or at least gotten a displacement letter everytime since Jan 02 and I'm a little fed-up.