Definition of "Duty" per FAR/GOM?

[Skull-One]

Anyone care to explain to me what the definition of "DUTY" or "ON DUTY" is?

For example:

"Flight crew must not use any alcoholic beverages during the twelve hours preceding duty or during time of duty."

WTF does this mean? Are they saying that you can't drink a beer on an overnight? WTF? Someone told me that if you are drawing per diem you are technically on-duty.

???

 

[Skull-One]

Wow, lots of excitement in this thread...

I guess none of you folks know the answer either.

 

[12GO]

I think it has something to do with "Performing Safety Sensitive Functions!"

Actually, that definition is made by the DOT and includes locamotive engineers, harbor pilots etc.

 

[CA1900]

WTF does this mean? Are they saying that you can't drink a beer on an overnight? WTF? Someone told me that if you are drawing per diem you are technically on-duty.

???

"Someone" is wrong.

You can't be on duty through a whole overnight if that stay in a hotel is to provide you a required rest period. There's duty and there's rest time. You can't be doing both at the same time.

If your overnight is less than 12 hours, and that's what your GOM says, then no, you can't have a beer on that overnight. Ours is simply the FAR 8 hour rule, so on a 9 hour overnight, that gives us time for a beer or two.


Per-diem has absolutely nothing to do with duty.

 

[B190Captain]

CA1900 Nailed it!

Per Diem is only to reimburse you for some or all of you overnight expenses such as meals, tips, hookers and so on....

Well maybe not hookers unless you like the real cheap ones.

 

[Skull-One]

So if that hooker tries to later claim you assaulted her--or something along those lines--I suppose the company can't come after you for it, right? I.E. she calls your airline because she sees your uniform hanging in the closet and tries to get you fired... They don't have a dog in that fight do they? (Extreme case, but necessary to prove a point.)

I suppose more than one pilot has taken a girl from the bar back to his room and wound up getting sued/fired over it because the chick claims wrongdoing...

[Please don't get any ideas, I'm *NOT* referring to myself here. This is purely hypothetical. Gawd, don't let the rumor mill get wound up again.]

 

[B190Captain]

So if that hooker tries to later claim you assaulted her--or something along those lines--I suppose the company can't come after you for it, right? I.E. she calls your airline because she sees your uniform hanging in the closet and tries to get you fired... They don't have a dog in that fight do they? (Extreme case, but necessary to prove a point.)

I suppose more than one pilot has taken a girl from the bar back to his room and wound up getting sued/fired over it because the chick claims wrongdoing...

[Please don't get any ideas, I'm *NOT* referring to myself here. This is purely hypothetical. Gawd, don't let the rumor mill get wound up again.]

I doubt any hooker has any credibility with the police but a chickie that you picked up in the bar is another story. Just invest small camera and hide it in the room and film the boom boom. Then they don't have a leg to stand on.

 

[Hugh G Rection]

Why would you pick up a Hooker on an overnight anyway? That's what flight attendants are for. If its a required rest period its legal to drink.And when it comes to the 8 hour rule "legal to start legal to finish" So order the 22oz gut busters