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Delta Pilots Sell Bankruptcy Claim
Thursday April 12, 2:50 pm ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer Delta Pilots Sell Bankruptcy Claim to Investors

ATLANTA (AP) -- More than 91 percent of eligible Delta Air Lines Inc. pilots have opted to sell their portion of a $2.1 billion unsecured bankruptcy claim the carrier had given them as part of pay cut talks last year, the union said Thursday.
The amount of cash each participating pilot will receive after the Atlanta-based airline exits Chapter 11 on April 30 will vary.
But the average payout would be about $185,946 based on the number of pilots participating -- roughly 6,233 -- and the total amount being paid for the claim distributions -- $1.159 billion. The total value works out to about 60 cents on the dollar.
The actual cash distribution to participating pilots will be based on their years of service, seniority and their hourly pay rate, union spokesman Buzz Hazzard said.
Those pilots who did not opt to take the cash payout will retain their portion of the $2.1 billion unsecured claim. Like other unsecured creditors, once Delta exits bankruptcy they will receive new shares of Delta stock.
Delta's reorganization plan calls for unsecured creditors to get between 62 percent and 78 percent of the amount of their allowed claims in the form of shares.
"One of the advantages in a claim sale is you get your cash up front and you don't have to wait for the resolutions to take place," Hazzard said.
The chairman of the union's executive committee, Lee Moak, did not disclose in a memo to pilots Thursday who is buying the claim distributions from the pilots. Hazzard described the buyers as institutional investors. He couldn't say how many there are or who they are.
As part of a deal reached in April 2006 for $280 million in average annual concessions by Delta pilots, the airline agreed to give the pilots $650 million in notes, conditioned on termination of the pilot retirement plan, and a $2.1 billion unsecured claim to help the pilots in retirement and for other payments or distributions to pilots. The pilot pension plan was later terminated.
Hazzard said the union was meeting Thursday to discuss how the $650 million in notes will be distributed to the pilots.
Delta has estimated it will be worth $9.4 billion to $12 billion when it emerges from Chapter 11.
A confirmation hearing on the airline's reorganization plan is scheduled for April 25 in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York. Delta, the nation's third-largest carrier, filed for bankruptcy protection in September 2005.
 
Hazzard described the buyers as institutional investors. He couldn't say how many there are or who they are.
Although one investor was made public, a Mr. L. Cur.
 
Hey FDJ2:
I think we as DL pilots should offer to buy him a case of beer.....Then give him the keys to his BMW! :laugh: :laugh:
After all, its because of his incompetence that we made out so well!

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But the average payout would be about $185,946 based on the number of pilots participating -- roughly 6,233 -- and the total amount being paid for the claim distributions -- $1.159 billion. The total value works out to about 60 cents on the dollar.

Is this future money, paper money, retirement fund money or is it real money put into their checking accounts?
 
The money will first fill the pilot's 401k up to their IRS 415 limits for 2006 (44,000 and 2007 (45,000), then the rest will be paid (and taxed) as ordinary income. This only applies to the pilots that sold their claim. Those that did not will get an amount of new DAL stock....the payouts will happen within days of BK exit.

These payouts were negotiated as a return for concessions given. While it hardly makes a dent in what we've given up, this is nice sum of money to invest for the future.
 
So for the guys that are still out on bypass this means what? I bypassed at the end of Jan so as of the first of the year the guys that were still furloughed, Dalpa considered us all bypassed. I don't think too many people know exactly whats going to happen. Oh well.... I guess we'll find out soon enough.
 
Net,

Did you sell your claim or not? All Delta pilots that were on the seniority list when Letter 51 was signed were included...furloughed, bypass, etc. Everyone was included in the claim allocation model and you should know exactly how many $$$ you are entitled to. All of these situations have been addressed on the ADC dispatches...check out the DALPA website.
 
Net,

Did you sell your claim or not? All Delta pilots that were on the seniority list when Letter 51 was signed were included...furloughed, bypass, etc. Everyone was included in the claim allocation model and you should know exactly how many $$$ you are entitled to. All of these situations have been addressed on the ADC dispatches...check out the DALPA website.


Pat,

Yup..... that was the first thing I did and looking forward to the end of the month to find out what is going to happen. Nobody really seems to know whats going on. I guess everyone is kind of in limbo and waiting for the whole thing to unfold. Dalpa? Naaahhhh..... too many chumps on that forum fighting back and forth and again they all have an opinion, but nobody really knows. Let me know if you find out anything....... thanks for the reply.
 
Pat,

Yup..... that was the first thing I did and looking forward to the end of the month to find out what is going to happen. Nobody really seems to know whats going on.

Call the R&I Chairman. I really don't think there are too many aunanswered questions for those who read all the ADC dispatches, but if you have a specific question for your circumstance call the MEC.
 
So for the guys that are still out on bypass this means what? I bypassed at the end of Jan so as of the first of the year the guys that were still furloughed, Dalpa considered us all bypassed.

If you bypassed recall, you are not on furlough you are by-passed.

"Special Case Pilots
The remainder of Delta pilots are considered “special case pilots.” For the purpose of the allocation model, a special case pilot is any pilot who is not on active status in any given month. These categories consist of pilots on personal leave of absence (PLOA), furlough, bypass and long-term disability (LTD). Considerable time was spent during the development phase discussing how the allocation model should appropriately treat those who were not active pilots while ensuring that those who work during the term of Letter
51 received a fair allocation. There are two important dates to consider in the allocation and distribution process.

The first is the allocation date which is estimated to occur on or about November 1, 2006. The second date is the distribution date. For the purpose of this ADC Dispatch, distribution date is the date which the Company exits bankruptcy. (The actual date of commencement of the distribution of claim proceeds and stock may not occur exactly at exit, but sometime soon thereafter.)

Special case pilots will receive allocations in three of the four silos on the allocation date. All special case pilots will receive a per capita allocation, a seniority allocation and a years-of-service allocation. They will not receive an hourly rate allocation as their hourly rate is zero, but note the exception described below for furloughed (not bypassed) pilots.

On the distribution date, if the special case pilot has returned to active status, he will receive his allocation along with all other Delta pilots. The difference in the treatment of special case pilots relative to each other occurs if the pilot has not returned to active status by the distribution date as follows:


PLOA:
A pilot on a personal leave of absence who has not returned to active

status at the distribution date will forfeit the per capita and years-of-service
allocations. He will receive his seniority allocation on the distribution date.
Furlough:



A pilot on furlough will be treated as though he returned to active

status on January 1, 2007. When the allocation model is run, he will receive
allocations in the per capita, seniority and years-of-service silos for the period June 2006 through December 2006. On January 1, 2007 and for the duration of the agreement, the model will assume a category of M88B and he will receive an hourly rate allocation based on that category. If a furloughed pilot is not offered a recall by the distribution date, the hourly rate allocation will be forfeited, and he will receive his per capita, seniority, and years-of-service allocations on the distribution date.

Bypass:



A furloughed pilot who has been offered recall but has bypassed, and who does not return to active service by the distribution date, will forfeit his per capita and years-of-service allocations. He will receive his seniority allocation on the distribution date."
 
FDJ,

Thanks for that.... I actually got on there and checked it out and seems like I am only going to get one silo.... kind of a crock if you as me, but better than nothing I guess eeehhh? Thanks again and good luck over there. Ryan Air seems to have big plans for the transatlantic future.

OH and last I heard.... the claim was sold at 60 and a half cents..... so that would be 60% of my seniority allotment right?
 
OH and last I heard.... the claim was sold at 60 and a half cents..... so that would be 60% of my seniority allotment right?

Actually I heard it was 60.05cents/dollar, and yes I believe you are correct that will be based on your seniority silo, when you elected to by-pass recall you forfeited two out of the three silos you were allocated.

I hope everything works out for you with your new employer. Good luck.
 
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seems like I am only going to get one silo.... kind of a crock if you as me,

Didn't work a minute under LOA 46 or 51 , was offered recall but chose not to come back and tell everyone you're never coming back ... yet you still get thousands of dollars just because you once worked for Delta ... doesn't seem like a crock to me, seems like a heck of a good deal that you should send ALPA a thank you note for.
 

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