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Delta Pilots Picket in Salt Lake City
Monday February 27, 5:11 pm ET
By Jim Graham, Associated Press Writer

Delta Pilots Picket in Salt Lake City, Warning They May Strike if No Agreement Reached in Spring

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. pilots brought their informational picket over stalled contract talks to Salt Lake City International Airport on Monday, warning that they may strike if an agreement isn't reached this spring.


About 50 pilots walked a picket line in front the Delta terminal and handed out pamphlets detailing their grievances.

The Atlanta-based airline filed for bankruptcy protection in September, and the company is seeking wage and benefits concessions from the pilots to help it become solvent.

Pilots said they have already conceded enough. In 2004, the pilots agree to $1 billion in concessions, including a 32.5 percent pay cut over five years. They also criticized an agreement last week by a New York bankruptcy judge that approved a severance package for as many as 144 directors and officers who will lose their jobs in reorganization.

"It sends a bad signal," said Capt. John D. Culp, a spokesman for the Air Line Pilots Association. "We're disappointed that management would pause to consider their own job security while they're demanding significant reductions in job protections for Delta pilots." Culp, of Atlanta, has been a Delta pilot for 20 years.

Salt Lake City is one of three Delta hubs, with Cincinnati and Atlanta. The pilots picketed outside Delta's terminal at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport on Feb. 17.

If negotiators for the pilots union and company can't reach a comprehensive deal on long-term concessions by Wednesday, a three-person panel would decide the company's request to reject the pilots contract so Delta can impose more than $300 million in cuts unilaterally. The arbitration panel would have 45 days to issue a ruling.

The pilots union has said it will strike if its contract is thrown out. The company has warned a strike would put the nation's third-largest carrier out of business.

A company official said Monday the picket has had no effect on business.
"This is an informational picket. It is not impacting our operations, and we don't expect that it will," said Bruce Hicks, Delta's spokesman for pilot negotiations.

Some passengers who came across the picket thought otherwise.
"If it looks like they're going to strike, I'd look at other options," said Ken Wzorek, 30, of Salt Lake City, who works as an art director for an advertising firm.

Luke Bucci, of Reno, flies every week for his job as an executive for a nutritional supplements company. He said the picket reinforced his recent decision about booking flights.

"It's made me switch to Southwest ... I'm all for the pilots," Bucci said. "They're flying the airplanes. They're in control up there. So, I think they should be paid well."

The average Delta pilot earns about $150,000 a year, Culp said. He would not divulge what the top-paid pilots earn, but said 40 percent of their pay comes from working overtime.

Capt. Ed Thiel, a Delta pilot for 20 years, said passengers who know about the union's complaint have been supportive. Thiel, of Salt Lake City, said he's paid less than pilots with similar experience, flying similar planes and routes, at other airlines. About 350 Delta pilots live in Utah.

Hicks said the company is committed to ironing out a contract deal soon. "We need a consensual agreement. We can't get out of bankruptcy without one," he said.
 
Don't expect much public sympathy when the "average" pay is $150,000/yr.

Yeah, having to take another cut on top of what has already amounted to over 40% (right?) is ludicrous..but the public won't see it that way when pilots are still earning 6 figures.
 
gkrangers said:
Don't expect much public sympathy when the "average" pay is $150,000/yr.

Yeah, having to take another cut on top of what has already amounted to over 40% (right?) is ludicrous..but the public won't see it that way when pilots are still earning 6 figures.

You must have missed the comments from the passengers:


A company official said Monday the picket has had no effect on business. "This is an informational picket. It is not impacting our operations, and we don't expect that it will," said Bruce Hicks, Delta's spokesman for pilot negotiations.


Some passengers who came across the picket thought otherwise.

"If it looks like they're going to strike, I'd look at other options," said Ken Wzorek, 30, of Salt Lake City, who works as an art director for an advertising firm.

Luke Bucci, of Reno, flies every week for his job as an executive for a nutritional supplements company. He said the picket reinforced his recent decision about booking flights.
"It's made me switch to Southwest ... I'm all for the pilots," Bucci said. "They're flying the airplanes. They're in control up there. So, I think they should be paid well."


The Delta Pilot Network has been instrumental in yet another successful event. With only about 300 DAL pilots living within 150 miles of SLC, DPN, was able to reach out to the SLC pilots in just a few short days and help the Strike Preparedness Committee pull off another successful picketing event.
 
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Being that they were paid about 30% above the market with the contract signed back in 2000....they really haven't taken much of a salary hit.

The flying public could care less...........
 
It sounds like it was a success. 50 people with 3 days notice---good for them.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
pgcfii2002 said:
The flying public could care less...........

Some passengers who came across the picket thought otherwise.

"If it looks like they're going to strike, I'd look at other options," said Ken Wzorek, 30, of Salt Lake City, who works as an art director for an advertising firm.


Luke Bucci, of Reno, flies every week for his job as an executive for a nutritional supplements company. He said the picket reinforced his recent decision about booking flights.
"It's made me switch to Southwest ... I'm all for the pilots," Bucci said. "They're flying the airplanes. They're in control up there. So, I think they should be paid well."
 
pgcfii2002 said:
Being that they were paid about 30% above the market with the contract signed back in 2000....they really haven't taken much of a salary hit.

The flying public could care less...........

Are you serious? How much are you worth? Not much it seems. I was making more as an FO on the 767 back in 2001-2004 than a 777 Captain makes now. Yeah, I guess we haven't taken much of a salary hit.........dumba$$. And the public COULDN'T care less (really ANY MORE---not less) you say? They will book away if they think their Summer plans could be disrupted. They may not care or know how much I make, but they do not like disruptions, and that is key.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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General Lee said:
Are you serious? How much are you worth? Not much it seems. I was making more as an FO on the 767 back in 2001-2004 than a 777 Captain makes now. Yeah, I guess we haven't taken much of a salary hit.........dumba$$.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Your only worth what you negotiate. Your worth about half what you were 2 years ago. You and FDJs will take what is given to you.
 
ASADriver said:
Your only worth what you negotiate. Your worth about half what you were 2 years ago. You and FDJs will take what is given to you.

According to your logic I'm "worth" more than you are.

Me and the General will not take what is given to us, we'll get what we negotiate. Nothing wrong with that.
 
ASADriver said:
Your only worth what you negotiate. Your worth about half what you were 2 years ago. You and FDJs will take what is given to you.

Incorrect. We will get what we negotiate, not what is given to us. There is a lot of money to be made by management and the creditors when the new stock comes out (UAL management got 8%---worth MILLIONS), and they will get NONE if we liquidate. We will negotiate and see what happens. (that goes for SCOPE too)

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I read it FDJ...I'm just saying, I bet that pax wasn't informed of the 150k average. If they were, they'd have been saying "greedy pigs" or something along those lines.

The pax don't care....its all up to us.
 
General Lee said:
They will book away if they think their Summer plans could be disrupted. They may not care or know how much I make, but they do not like disruptions, and that is key.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Which means DL will miss revenue projections and have bigger losses. Guess what that means? More concessions from you.

Sure passengers will say they care about your pay until you go to raise ticket prices. All of the sudden, they won't care anymore.
 
MedFlyer said:
Which means DL will miss revenue projections and have bigger losses. Guess what that means? More concessions from you.

I'm sure you'll be giving some more up too. You guys gave for a promise of shiny jets, imagine what you'll give in an 1113 motion.

You CMR pilots sure pounded your chests a whole bunch, but when it comes right down to it, roll a shiny new jet on your ramp and you'll dig deep to get the chance to fly it. Nevermind the toxic effect your concessions for jets scheme had on your ASA brothers.

You guys get a firm order on that E jet Fred rolled out on your ramp?
 
FDJ2 said:
I'm sure you'll be giving some more up too. You guys gave for a promise of shiny jets, imagine what you'll give in an 1113 motion.

You CMR pilots sure pounded your chests a whole bunch, but when it comes right down to it, roll a shiny new jet on your ramp and you'll dig deep to get the chance to fly it. Nevermind the toxic effect your concessions for jets scheme had on your ASA brothers.

You guys get a firm order on that E jet Fred rolled out on your ramp?

You must really be desperate to work at Comair. You're constantly bringing up Comair even on posts where Comair has never been mentioned.

Delta used to have a great group of pilots who were leaders and real men. Sadly, they've been replaced by the likes of you. It's no surprise that DL has gone downhill.
 
Wow....thank god I don't work for the airlines. Good god, everyone is taking cuts and you guys are sitting here fighting amongst yourselves? How about working together to get what you ALL deserve. Good god, no wonder management keeps screwing you guys, they see you standing alone! General and FDJ you have my respects, as you were the ones who paved the way to where I am now.
 
FDJ2 said:
According to your logic I'm "worth" more than you are.

Me and the General will not take what is given to us, we'll get what we negotiate. Nothing wrong with that.

That depends - are you a captain or an FO. I'm "worth" more than many of the DAL FOs. By the way, it's "the General and I". Your right, you will take what "you negotiate" and it will be less than you currently have. There will be no strike. You need leverage to negotiate, but you gave away all your leverage to protect the senior DAL pilots who are now gone and are leaving you holding a bag of $h!t. Some brotherhood ehh?
 
ASADriver said:
That depends - are you a captain or an FO. I'm "worth" more than many of the DAL FOs. By the way, it's "the General and I". Your right, you will take what "you negotiate" and it will be less than you currently have. There will be no strike. You need leverage to negotiate, but you gave away all your leverage to protect the senior DAL pilots who are now gone and are leaving you holding a bag of $h!t. Some brotherhood ehh?


Well, I'm just a F/O at DAL but I still make more than an 18 year ASA CA. I hope you get a pay raise. How's it looking?

Well we are in BK and our leverage is weaker than normal, but we still have some. We might get a consentual agreement, we might have to strike or it might just all depend on whether or not Delta's liquidity short fall, as defined in the Bankruptcy Protection Letter will trigger relief. Study up on the BPL and report back to me when you figure it out.
 
ASADrivel said:
Your only worth what you negotiate. Your worth about half what you were 2 years ago. You and FDJs will take what is given to you.

Now that's funny! How long have you gone without a contract?? Looks like a paycut is in order to bring your pay in comparison with your skywest brothers! Remember, you're only worth what you negotiate!
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asa drivel said:
That depends - are you a captain or an FO. I'm "worth" more than many of the DAL FOs. By the way, it's "the General and I". Your right, you will take what "you negotiate" and it will be less than you currently have. There will be no strike. You need leverage to negotiate, but you gave away all your leverage to protect the senior DAL pilots who are now gone and are leaving you holding a bag of $h!t. Some brotherhood ehh?
By the way its You're right! Have a lovely day!
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ASADriver said:
That depends - are you a captain or an FO. I'm "worth" more than many of the DAL FOs. By the way, it's "the General and I". Your right, you will take what "you negotiate" and it will be less than you currently have. There will be no strike. You need leverage to negotiate, but you gave away all your leverage to protect the senior DAL pilots who are now gone and are leaving you holding a bag of $h!t. Some brotherhood ehh?

Again, you lack the understanding of GREED. Our management wants MONEY to buy big houses, and one way to get that is to get through this bankruptcy and float some new stock, which may include 8% or so to themselves. That would make them even MORE rich (like the UAL management). Get it yet? You don't call that leverage? You don't? Well, you really don't have any with SkyWest. Look where your CR7s are going.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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and to think Delta used to be my dream job.

what's left of the legendary carrier and the family atmosphere that it thrived on? come on, guys. times are tough for all. stop acting like a bunch of religious extremists trying to destroy each other 'in the name of God'. the rest of us just look at your banter and see nothing good of it.

i'm sure these thoughts have been presented before and will pop up again soon.
 
Palomino said:
and to think Delta used to be my dream job.

what's left of the legendary carrier and the family atmosphere that it thrived on? come on, guys. times are tough for all. stop acting like a bunch of religious extremists trying to destroy each other 'in the name of God'. the rest of us just look at your banter and see nothing good of it.

i'm sure these thoughts have been presented before and will pop up again soon.

It used to be my dream too, and now it is turning into a nightmare. (I had to say that, it was too easy) In reality this is the bottom of a really bad cycle, and before we know it, in ten years or so, we will be back up to where we were pre-C2K. Yipppeeee!


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
WTFO? Average $150K my a$$!

A year 6 767 Int'l F/O with the 3$ int'l pay is just under $100/hour. Multiply that by 75/month = $90K/year. Don't see how that comes close to average.
 
Helos2Galaxy said:
WTFO? Average $150K my a$$!

A year 6 767 Int'l F/O with the 3$ int'l pay is just under $100/hour. Multiply that by 75/month = $90K/year. Don't see how that comes close to average.

That was an average for the period prior to taking the last 14% pay cut. When 2006 is over, the average will be lower. I know I didn't make $150,000 last year.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Helos2Galaxy said:
WTFO? Average $150K my a$$!

A year 6 767 Int'l F/O with the 3$ int'l pay is just under $100/hour. Multiply that by 75/month = $90K/year. Don't see how that comes close to average.

When referring to compensation, companies typically will include health insurance, 401K, vacation/holiday pay, etc. to make it appear "sexier" than what it really is. Then the average person reads it and thinks it means salary only. A little slight of hand by both the company and the media - mission accomplished.
 
General Lee said:
Are you serious? How much are you worth? Not much it seems. I was making more as an FO on the 767 back in 2001-2004 than a 777 Captain makes now. Yeah, I guess we haven't taken much of a salary hit.........dumba$$. And the public COULDN'T care less (really ANY MORE---not less) you say? They will book away if they think their Summer plans could be disrupted. They may not care or know how much I make, but they do not like disruptions, and that is key.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Nice.....can't win an arguement so we'll resort to name calling, usually the first indication of losing the arguement.
 
General Lee said:
Again, you lack the understanding of GREED. Our management wants MONEY to buy big houses, and one way to get that is to get through this bankruptcy and float some new stock, which may include 8% or so to themselves. That would make them even MORE rich (like the UAL management). Get it yet? You don't call that leverage? You don't? Well, you really don't have any with SkyWest. Look where your CR7s are going.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I believe that might be an old Chinese proverb.
 
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Sorry to change the subject. Does anybody know where one can find out yearly profit/loss for each airline going back 5 or 10 years?
 
Try their annual report.......issued every year.
 

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