DAL pilots could strike.

[Dizel8]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060209/ap_on_bi_ge/delta

"If our contract is rejected, we will strike," Moak said in an interview, in his most definitive statement on the subject to date.

Union leaders had previously said the pilots would not "willingly work without a contract," interpreted by many people as a strike threat. However, until Thursday union leaders had been cautious not to say they would definitely strike if the contract was rejected.

The nation's third-largest carrier has said a strike would put the Atlanta-based company out of business.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Whatever

 

[SEVEN]

Whatever

My thoughts exactely...

 

[Dizel8]

Afraid that is what management thinks as well!

 

[PAA744]

NO Way ARE the DAL pilots going to strike.

It would be a MASS-SUICIDE & management knows that...

So does the Judge (that is if we want to call HIM/HER a judge!!!)
I will NOT afford them that honour / honor / whatever!

Every DAL (& NWA) employee are "along for the ride" that is until the "JUDGE" makes a desicion - and no judge wants to make THAT - THAT IS ALWAYS WHY THE judge REQUESTS THAT THE PARTIES COME TO AN AGREEMENT - it's so THEY are NOT held responsible for a desicion.....

I will get off my soap box - Go luck to the DAL & NWA employees - it might become very hard!

 

[Airway]

I'm not sure what logic they are using exactly, but if DL pilots do go on strike, then it might show that pilots are more resolute than management thinks. I hope they do go on strike if they throw out the contract. If that means the end of the company, then so be it. How much are you going to let management sh*t on you. The job's already been devalued by more than any stretch of the imagination. Maybe they just want to keep their dignity.

Then again, all the new pilots seem to be wetting themselves every time an airline "let's them fly a jet".. pay as a secondary issue. "Who cares, they're LETTING me fly a CRJ!"

 

[DaveGriffin]

Old farts are merely positioning their surrender

You can smell the concession coming 01 Mar.

All the tough talk about strike is just a smoke screen to make the nitwit juniors think the old farts are actually negotiating.

There will be no strike and the juniors will be screwed...........again.

 

[Catbird]

"DAL pilots could strike".- That's a joke right?

 

[shon7]

The extremely unlikely strike(s) at DAL and/or NWA would ensure a merger happens. Now that would be really great!

 

[satpak77]

my guess is...

not gonna happen

and yes, the contract will thrown out, as Delta, under Ch.11 protection, now has practically free legal reign to do anything deemed necessary to save the company and pay the creditors (whenever that will be...)

if the pilots strike, Delta is done. I mean, they are already in bankruptcy, what else is left? Pull out the feeding tube?

A strike at DAL will not be an automatic merger with NWA. NWA is scrambling to find buckets to dump the water off the sinking ship as it is, right now they cannot answer another SOS in the ocean. Just can't do it.

Now with UAL back out of Ch.11, continued competition with AirTran, JetBlue, and LUV (gotta love teflon LUV), Delta is in probably the worst shape of all the airlines. At least Ch.11 NWA has an alliance with non Ch.11 CAL. American is slowly back on centerline and blue skies appear to be ahead (albeit with a gazillion pilots laid off...).

Delta is all by themselves.

another sad chapter in the big book called The Airline Industry

 

[GogglesPisano]

At least Ch.11 NWA has an alliance with non Ch.11 CAL. American is slowly back on centerline and blue skies appear to be ahead (albeit with a gazillion pilots laid off...).

I thought DAL was part of that same alliance.

Good luck DAL pilots.

 

[WhiteCloud]

World struck and settled in a few days.

 

[GFunk20]

They always say that, but at the end of the day its nothing but several reduced pay rates and work rules.

Nice thought though.

 

[satpak77]

Fyi

World struck and settled in a few days.

world's business is 70% military charters, and they were never in bankruptcy at strike time. Any strike that occurred was prohibited by law to affect the military charters, so it was a "partial" strike

 

[737 Pylt]

World struck and settled in a few days.

Apples and oranges.
World has military contracts that under law, can not be struck. It does not have scheduled service (that I know of). DAL on strike would be a catastrophe. I say bring it on, but I guarantee, I am a minority. DAL will not strike, this union has shown time and time again that we do NOT have the balls, and management is counting on that!
737

 

[MemTrash]

Apples and oranges.
World has military contracts that under law, can not be struck. It does not have scheduled service (that I know of). DAL on strike would be a catastrophe. I say bring it on, but I guarantee, I am a minority. DAL will not strike, this union has shown time and time again that we do NOT have the balls, and management is counting on that!
737

The world guys were pretty smart though. The positioning flights were not military and they didn't fly those, so mgmt guys couldn't get the planes where they needed to be to do the military stuff. At least I was told that and only one check airman was a scab so mgmts time was ticking. Hopefully the DAL and NWA guys will draw a line and stand by it. Good luck!

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

I kid you not, this is a quote from a Delta spokesperson about a possible strike:

Delta spokeswoman Chris Kelly said the airline had expected the pilots to take such steps and did not expect it to have any impact on the carrier's customers or operations.

What in the world was she smoking???

 

[81Horse]

First good laugh of the day.

I believe that's what they said at NWA in '98, too.

 

[Buckaroo]

We'll find out soon whether or not that bankruptcy court judge is going to let Delta Airlines void their contract with the Delta pilot's union. The union, as unions will do, is talking tough. A Delta pilots union said "If our contract is rejected we will strike, and we will strike at a time and place of our choosing."
How brave! How bold! How typically union! Your employer is fighting for its very life, and you're out there beating your chest and talking about strikes.
Remember, there is precedence for this. It is quite likely that a pilot's union strike would destroy Delta airlines. Would a pilot's union do this? Hell yes they would! Have you forgotten Eastern Airlines? At Eastern you had the sad case of a union going on strike with the specific objection of destroying its own employer. Those Eastern pilots wanted Eastern Airlines to fail, and they got their wish. Some of those pilots never flew for money again ... a likely outcome that, if it were not for the union mob mentality, these pilots might have foreseen.
These Delta pilots need to ask themselves a question. Are they professional, highly skilled pilots? Or are they merely union laborers on a par with someone working an assembly line? Are they individuals, or just part of a mob?
What do I think? I don't think they're stupid enough to go on strike. Maybe that's just wishful thinking. They are, after all, union members.

 

[Choppy]

What!!!!!

Buckaroo-- You are so freaking far off on your assesment of Eastern that its not even funny! I bet you didn't even work there? Did you even have any family members there? Please don't submit us to your unintelligent bantering on Eastern when you don't know Sh*t!!

We'll find out soon whether or not that bankruptcy court judge is going to let Delta Airlines void their contract with the Delta pilot's union. The union, as unions will do, is talking tough. A Delta pilots union said "If our contract is rejected we will strike, and we will strike at a time and place of our choosing."
How brave! How bold! How typically union! Your employer is fighting for its very life, and you're out there beating your chest and talking about strikes.
Remember, there is precedence for this. It is quite likely that a pilot's union strike would destroy Delta airlines. Would a pilot's union do this? Hell yes they would! Have you forgotten Eastern Airlines? At Eastern you had the sad case of a union going on strike with the specific objection of destroying its own employer. Those Eastern pilots wanted Eastern Airlines to fail, and they got their wish. Some of those pilots never flew for money again ... a likely outcome that, if it were not for the union mob mentality, these pilots might have foreseen.
These Delta pilots need to ask themselves a question. Are they professional, highly skilled pilots? Or are they merely union laborers on a par with someone working an assembly line? Are they individuals, or just part of a mob?
What do I think? I don't think they're stupid enough to go on strike. Maybe that's just wishful thinking. They are, after all, union members.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

Come on guys, let's face reality.

These modern planes pretty much fly themselves. The pay rates at Delta right now are outrageously high. Being paid those high salaries to press the autpilot button is just fiscally irresponsible.

And what's all of this noise about a strike? Tell me, what talents do the Delta pilots have other than being pilots? What would they do if they didn't have their airline job? Lucky for guys like me and Gerald, you pilots are all totally dependent on the airline, like a junky on crack.

We need to keep the money where it belongs, in the executive suite. Grinstein has wisely hired me as a consultant. The latest executive retention bonus was my idea. We can't afford to lose any of our irreplaceable talent that has done a spectacular job of getting Delta to the place it is today.

A strike. Thanks for the laugh guys! You guys crack me up!

See you at the Country Club!

 

[Blue Dude]

Buckaroo-- You are so freaking far off on your assesment of Eastern that its not even funny! I bet you didn't even work there? Did you even have any family members there? Please don't submit us to your unintelligent bantering on Eastern when you don't know Sh*t!!

Choppy, that's not Buckaroo's post - he copied off Boortz's blog this morning. I listen to Boortz, even agree with him on a number of things, but he doesn't know the first thing about the airline industry.

FYI, Buckaroo, if you don't attribute your posts, that's plagiarism. Not impressive.

 

[Falconjet]

I kid you not, this is a quote from a Delta spokesperson about a possible strike:

Delta spokeswoman Chris Kelly said the airline had expected the pilots to take such steps and did not expect it to have any impact on the carrier's customers or operations.

What in the world was she smoking???

My guess is she was talking about the strike vote, which is just a preliminary step in an effort to show solidarity to the company.

Obviously an actual strike would have an impact on the company's operations.

That is just a guess though.

FJ

 

[Jetpipeovht]

DAL, remember Pan Am in 91? What goes around comes around.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

"If our contract is rejected, we will strike," Moak said in an interview, in his most definitive statement on the subject to date.

Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my butt too!!



Those Delta employees, collectively, are pretty smart. They figured out it was coming, eventually. Many are bailing as fast as possible now. How 'bout a picket at the retired Delta pilots office?? Aren't they suing the company to keep their pensions? How 'bout a donation to the strike fund for current pilots you bunch of greedy old dudes?? Or something nice for the furloughed folks?? Yes, in case you weren't aware, there are still furloughed Delta pilots.

The stakeholders want theirs. The current employees are last on the list

 

[GogglesPisano]

The world guys were pretty smart though. The positioning flights were not military and they didn't fly those, so mgmt guys couldn't get the planes where they needed to be to do the military stuff. At least I was told that and only one check airman was a scab so mgmts time was ticking. Hopefully the DAL and NWA guys will draw a line and stand by it. Good luck!

Actually there was not a single scab at World during the strike. The MD11 in Angola was flown back by "contractors" from another freight company and the Teamsters are investigating.

 

[Big Duke Six]

Leadership and Respect

I'm so stupid that I still can't figure out why Mgmt doesn't LEAD their company through a bankruptcy and share the pain that entails. If management wanted to get their employees on their side they would take equal or greater pay cuts first. We all see the results of "managers" who don't lead. UAL is the most recent example. After sapping the employees' morale for 3 years with the lack of significant mgmt pay cuts and repeated bonuses awarded to themselves for extracting employee concessions during the bankruptcy, they killed what spirit must have been left by awarding millions in stock to each other to be cashed in in the near future.

Sometimes a stand has to be taken. Some things are bigger than ourselves. UAL pilots did not strike. If the Delta pilots feel their mgmt is actually leading them and has earned respect from their employees, then they should not strike. If they feel they are being abused by mgmt, then they should.

I've said this here before and I'm sure it's too old fashioned for most. If I was a Delta pilot, that's how I would decide.

 

[Occam's Razor]

We'll find out soon whether or not that bankruptcy court judge is going to let Delta Airlines void their contract with the Delta pilot's union. The union, as unions will do, is talking tough. A Delta pilots union said "If our contract is rejected we will strike, and we will strike at a time and place of our choosing."
How brave! How bold! How typically union! Your employer is fighting for its very life, and you're out there beating your chest and talking about strikes.
Remember, there is precedence for this. It is quite likely that a pilot's union strike would destroy Delta airlines. Would a pilot's union do this? Hell yes they would! Have you forgotten Eastern Airlines? At Eastern you had the sad case of a union going on strike with the specific objection of destroying its own employer. Those Eastern pilots wanted Eastern Airlines to fail, and they got their wish. Some of those pilots never flew for money again ... a likely outcome that, if it were not for the union mob mentality, these pilots might have foreseen.
These Delta pilots need to ask themselves a question. Are they professional, highly skilled pilots? Or are they merely union laborers on a par with someone working an assembly line? Are they individuals, or just part of a mob?
What do I think? I don't think they're stupid enough to go on strike. Maybe that's just wishful thinking. They are, after all, union members.

Plagarism...it's not just for breakfast any more!

Lucky for you Eagleflip doesn't warn you about posting someone else's words as flamebait.

Hey Buckaroo, if you need a good intro for your next post...try these:

"Four score and seven years ago...."
"When in the course of human events..."
"What hath God wrought..."
"That's one small post for Man...one giant post for....."

 

[ultrarunner]

I kid you not, this is a quote from a Delta spokesperson about a possible strike:

Delta spokeswoman Chris Kelly said the airline had expected the pilots to take such steps and did not expect it to have any impact on the carrier's customers or operations.

What in the world was she smoking???

I don't know man, but I want some!

 

[WhiteCloud]

Apples and oranges.
World has military contracts that under law, can not be struck. It does not have scheduled service (that I know of). DAL on strike would be a catastrophe. I say bring it on, but I guarantee, I am a minority. DAL will not strike, this union has shown time and time again that we do NOT have the balls, and management is counting on that!
737

Management is counting on that. If you did strike they would have to settle quickly to survive. What would be better is if management and pilots could get together and do what you both need to do to survive. Absent that....good luck.