Currency for CFI

[cart]

Student has Private ASMEL Instrument rating and is sole manipulator of controls.

Can CFI flying with him log landings, actual instrument and night for currency purposes?

Part 91?
Part 135?

Thanks.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Student has Private ASMEL Instrument rating and is sole manipulator of controls.

Can CFI flying with him log landings, actual instrument and night for currency purposes?

Landings: no. The person logging landings for currency must be the "sole manipulator of the controls". (61.57, 135.247)

Actual instrument: yes. A CFI may log instrument time when giving instruction in actual instrument conditions. (61.51)

Night: If you're talking about logging "night" as a condition of flight, yes. There's nothing specific that says yes or no, so it falls into the catchall of CFIs logging flight time while giving instruction and the requirement to log the conditions of flight. (61.51).

If you're asking about logging night landings, no, for the same reason as any other landings.

 

[cart]

Mark, THANKS!

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Good luck with your flying business and fly safe(ly).

 

[midlifeflyer]

You've got a great website, too! I encourage all of you to see what Mark has created at:

www.midlifeflight.com

Good luck with your flying business and fly safe(ly).

Gee, thanks. :blush:

Guess this is a good a time as any to solicit contributions - no, not money, material.

 

[CDVdriver]

Interesting.....

If I fly with a student I log all the landings, I know it strictly speaking does not count towards my currency but my logbook is (in a way) also a backup training record for my student.
And lets face it , there are very few flights where you do not get a landing in yourself, there's always something you can demonstrate.
I also log all the approaches I do with an instrument student even if it's crystal clear VFR, it shows my recency of experience.
I just mark the ones we did in actual for my own currency...

 

[avbug]

When I'm instructing, seldom do I ever touch the controls, let alone make a landing.

 

[lawfly]

Query: "authorized flight instructor" and logging of instrument PIC while instructing in IMC. FAR 61.51 (g)(2). Original hypothetical by originator of thread posed "CFI". Actual IMC suggests CFII as "authorized"? As to the the dual received aspect, matters whether Private Pilot intends to log the dual received as counting toward the instrument flight training from authorized instructor required under 61.65(d)(2)(i) for instrument rating. As for myself, I don't recall instructing in actual until I had my "double i". In any event, for the instructor to log the IMC dual given as instrument PIC, he must be "an authorized instructor."
And as for intructor PIC generally, loggable only when acting as "authorized flight instructor." 61.51(e)(3).

 

[lawfly]

Supplemental Comment: I realize that the basic certificate is "CFI" and "instrument airplane" on CFI certificate is the additional rating for what we refer to as CFII, and you have probably all meant CFII, but thought the subject could use some clarification, in view of FAR language "authorized flight instructor".

 

[midlifeflyer]

Query: "authorized flight instructor" and logging

Are you by any chance referring to the hypertechnical view, followed by next to no one, that a CFI may only log PIC when giving specifically authorized instruction. i.e., that a CFI who goes up with a fully current private pilot who intends to pursue no other ratings in order to get some recurrent training in crosswinds, may not log PIC?

 

[lawfly]

No. Not even aware of that interpretation. Referring more to the straightforward idea, but which was not specifically mentioned in the earlier posts, that CFI should be CFII in order to be "authorized" to give instruction in IMC and to log it as his own instrument PIC. That "authorized" essentially refers to instructor ratings on CFI certificate. As I recall, there may also be "make and model" experience requirements for multi instruction (at least if it's toward a multi rating given by MEI). The original hypo involved a Private Pilot ASEL with instrument rating, and a "CFI" presumably in right seat. As to crosswind hypo, if the CFI is authorized to instruct on the manuever in question for the conditions (VFR, IFR) of flight, he's "authorized" by the FAA. For VFR crosswind practice in single-engine, CFI-ASE should suffice as authorized. Really just inviting comment on "authorized" and the original hypo and CFII.