CRJ 200 Freighter

[CX880]

This month Bombardier announced that the CRJ200 will be able to be converted into a freighter aircraft. Some large cargo airline in Sweden requested it so Bombardier is going to offer this freighter package. I wonder if this will catch on here in the states. Maybe we'll see a Fedex/UPS Express in the future, probably flown my MESA

 

[gringo]

I thought that's all that ASA and Air Wiskey (and every other CR2 operator) flew these days!:laugh:

 

[John Pennekamp]

This month Bombardier announced that the CRJ200 will be able to be converted into a freighter aircraft. Some large cargo airline in Sweden requested it so Bombardier is going to offer this freighter package. I wonder if this will catch on here in the states. Maybe we'll see a Fedex/UPS Express in the future, probably flown my MESA

Good thing, because in a few years, there's going to be a ton of CRJ-100 and 200s parked in the desert.

 

[CX880]

Maybe Airnet or Ameriflight could have some use, and those ATR operators. There could be a market for the older CRJs.

 

[TurboAWD]

Boxes dont' care if they are in a prop or a jet. Can't see fedex/ups needing CRJ's when they can run DHC-8's or ATR's for less...

Turbo

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

You may need to have some RJ freighters as I don't think there will be enough turboprops to go around. The cheap cost of used 50 seat airframes may very well negate the fact that they burn a lot of dead dinosaurs.

 

[CX880]

Boxes dont' care if they are in a prop or a jet. Can't see fedex/ups needing CRJ's when they can run DHC-8's or ATR's for less...

Turbo

True but ATRs are becoming old, DHCs are good for 1 hour runs. Because of the nature of their business I don't think Fedex/Ups care about costs as long as they get a plane that does the job. If a company can charge 15 bucks to get a DVD 2nd day delivery, they'll never run out of money. This Swedish carrier that took order for the converted CRJs did it for the same reason airlines use regional carriers, for 500-1000 mile routes where larger aircraft use was not efficient for smaller amount of cargo.

 

[atr42flyer]

they could make more money with the crj think about it fedex and ups actually charge what it takes to haul it the distance! however having flow an atr for a fedex feeder i really doubt fedex pilots would stand for it. but we have all seen what has happend to everyone else.

 

[CX880]

they could make more money with the crj think about it fedex and ups actually charge what it takes to haul it the distance! however having flow an atr for a fedex feeder i really doubt fedex pilots would stand for it.

Would it really matter?

 

[Dumb Pilot]

When are you going to start sending your stuff out there CX 880? You should be beyond 500 now aren't you?

 

[wudalmstfly4fre]

Why will we see alot of CRJ's out in the desert?

 

[Citrus531]

Some of the oldest CRJ's are approaching 14 years old and with so many(well over 1,000 in service) the second hand market for these birds will be pretty limited I would think.

 

[CX880]

When are you going to start sending your stuff out there CX 880? You should be beyond 500 now aren't you?

Dumb Pilot, hmm where have I heard that name.

 

[FN FAL]

You may need to have some RJ freighters as I don't think there will be enough turboprops to go around. The cheap cost of used 50 seat airframes may very well negate the fact that they burn a lot of dead dinosaurs.

New turboprops are in the works...like the guy said, boxes don't mind props.

 

[152hvy]

The day I see a CRJ freighter with a Fedex purple is the day I get a sex change..............

 

[Mr Wu]

Will they be flying them half empty in the summer?

 

[PCL_128]

Good thing, because in a few years, there's going to be a ton of CRJ-100 and 200s parked in the desert.

In a few years?

http://airliners.net/open.file/1003415/L/

 

[DwayneWorthless]

In a few years?

http://airliners.net/open.file/1003415/L/

They are lined up for takeoff. No worries. Now pay your DUES.

 

[honeycomb]

Full Circle.....

The CRJ was orginally designed for FedEx as a cargo bird to replace the aging (at the time) Falcon 20's.

But, before the first one was up and running FedEx's business took off....and they needed the 727's that they fly now.

Okay....Bombardier then made Lemon Juice out of the Lemons from that deal gone bad with FedEx. They made Regional Jets out of it.

Now that is what I have heard....so a cargo bird.....well that is what the CRJ was originally designed (or started) as....so full circle if you ask me.

 

[BoilerUP]

So the stretch Challenger was supposed to be a Falcon 20 replacement???

 

[honeycomb]

Yes...

That is why the CRJ did not have the people comforts (ie windows at a comfortable level) due to the corporate bird getting a stretch for a no window cargo operation.

I have been told this story and all of the reasons (type specific stuff) so many times from so many different people that I have forgotten who and when I was told this stuff.

I did a factory Delivery (two to be exact) up in Montreal for the company and I asked some of these questions. They are very sensitive about the subject.....cannot understand why?

Anyway the CRJ was set to replace the old Falcon 20's. Of course it did not happen that way. FedEx grew into 727's and the rest is history.

I love the CRJ. Of course the Challenger is a Bill Lear design....well sort of...he sold the ideas and design years ago to obtain funds to build his turbine prop pusher he was developing. The original design for the Lear (whatever it was called I forget now) was a mid tail High Speed Corporate Jet.

The first thing the Challenger people did was Wide'''nnnnn the cabin and give it a T tail.

The Challenger was born. The CRJ is like you said a stretched Challenger that was to enter service as a FedEx Cargo Bird. Go figure.

That is some of what I remember.

 

[pipe]

they could make more money with the crj think about it fedex and ups actually charge what it takes to haul it the distance! however having flow an atr for a fedex feeder i really doubt fedex pilots would stand for it. but we have all seen what has happend to everyone else.

FX started out flying Falcons. They have nothing resembling that now. A300's go to small cities. A380's on order. MD-11's coming all the time. Very rarely pay for brand-new airplanes.

Pretty sure RJ's ain't the future of the business.

PIPE

 

[pipe]

Yes...

That is why the CRJ did not have the people comforts (ie windows at a comfortable level) due to the corporate bird getting a stretch for a no window cargo operation.quote]

So that's why an EMB also has windows located at your kneecaps? I think it's because the windows are "centered" (180 degrees out from each other) and the airplanes are too damn small.

PIPE

 

[honeycomb]

So that's why an EMB also has windows located at your kneecaps? I think it's because the windows are "centered" (180 degrees out from each other) and the airplanes are too dang small.

PIPE

Dude, I flew the ERJ....did you? Probably not.

I know that years ago when American Eagle was looking at the two (CRJ/ERJ) that the big difference was the window placement (in regards to windows). The ERJ has higher (though relative) window placement. The marketing department liked the people comforts more on the ERJ than the CRJ. I don't agree that the ERJ is a better a/c than the CRJ but hey I am not marketing.

The CRJ was from a corporate bird...to a cargo bird...to a regional bird. Along the way they left the window placement the same. Check it out. Go look a the window placement of a Challenger and CRJ. The new Challengers may have changed the placement of the windows but the older ones have the same placement. The Window Placement on the NEW CRJ's (700/800/900) have much higher window placement. Though a common type. It was changed due to complaints made about the neck hurting window positions.

Why even bring the ERJ up?

As for FedEx.....I was not saying that FedEx would ever use them....just that originally that the a/c (CRJ) was concevied of as a Cargo bird for FedEx. It then became what it is today. Of course they were never used by FedEx....just like I said.

Go back to flying the back side of the clock. Thanks!

 

[DirkkDiggler]

Go look a the window placement of a Challenger and CRJ. The new Challengers may have changed the placement of the windows but the older ones have the same placement. The Window Placement on the NEW CRJ's (700/800/900) have much higher window placement. Though a common type. It was changed due to complaints made about the neck hurting window positions.

Actually, the 700/900 CRJ has the windows in the exact same place. They lowered the floor of the cabin so people could see out more easily.

 

[honeycomb]

Actually, the 700/900 CRJ has the windows in the exact same place. They lowered the floor of the cabin so people could see out more easily.

Hey thanks...I new something was different about the windows on the new 700/900's.

Some 200/400 operators actually do this by lowering the seats closer to the floor.

I don't know how many though.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

they could make more money with the crj think about it fedex and ups actually charge what it takes to haul it the distance!

This may be one of the most ignorant things I've heard on here. You make it sound like you're an accountant for Fedex or UPS since you're so sure of the economics of the CRJ as a freight hauler. Fly the planes and stop pretending to know sh!t you don't know about.

 

[PUNISHER]

I love the CRJ. Of course the Challenger is a Bill Lear design....well sort of...he sold the ideas and design years ago to obtain funds to build his turbine prop pusher he was developing. The original design for the Lear (whatever it was called I forget now) was a mid tail High Speed Corporate Jet.

I think the original design was called the LearStar 600, or somthing like that.

 

[honeycomb]

I think the original design was called the LearStar 600, or somthing like that.

That sounds right...thanks.

 

[PoorJetDriver]

Hey thanks...I new something was different about the windows on the new 700/900's.

Some 200/400 operators actually do this by lowering the seats closer to the floor.

I don't know how many though.

They also raised the windows something like 20cm on the 700/900 versus the 200.