Crazy Ferry Pilots !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kilroy]

Just looking at flight tracker over the Atlantic and I'm looking at a Pa28 flying nonstop Newfoundland to Great Britain 13 HOURS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How much can that carry in fuel ??

 

[fizzerpilot23]

The PA-28-151 i fly only holds 48. But i think the Archer has like 50. but still thats like 5.5 or 6 hours lol. I'm sure something is rigged to do the trick.

FIZ

 

[Hugh Johnson]

I used to install the ferry tanks. We had two guys take cherokee 6's to Siapan. CA to Hono first leg. 23 hours. 220 gals of avgas in a tank in the cabin. I ferried a 210 to RSA. Longest leg was from St. Johns to the Azores. Had 180 extra in a tank inside. young mans job.

 

[jobear]

No smoking on that flight


Jobear

 

[pilot370]

Yeah I think that plane is from Poland. I saw the plane at Appleton on the 31st and then saw it on monday in Pal-Waukee. The tail number was SP-***. So i asked the line crew and they said he was from Poland and he was leaving the next day to return. It took him 42 hours to get from Poland to Appleton.

Didnt get to look inside to see if he had extra tanks though.

 

[Rick1128]

North Atlantic

Along the "Blue Spruce" route the longest leg is approximately 790NM. I have done it a few times in Metros and Lear 20 series without extra tanks. So it is possible. And east bound is much easier than west bound.

 

[Shenzi Rubani]

I may have to ferry a C210 in September. Pen to U.K. What would be the route without extra tank? Longest legs? Hugh Johnson, where did you go through. Thanks for your replies guys. Would you guys know the best time of year to do it.

 

[willbav8r]

You need to buy a book by a lady called Satchie. circa 1970's. but it is still valid for the basics of ferrying light ga aircraft across the Atlantic and Pacific.

Sounds like a blast, but I think I would be happier over terra vf firma.

Know what I mean?

 

[rubberducky]

You alos can "island hop" from;

Goose Bay Canada-Narsarsuaq Greenland-Kulusuk Greenland...you get the idea. I did it in a Chieftain without any ferry tanks. The longest leg was like 4.6 hours. Otherwise ferry tanks are in order.

 

[j328ernest]

Just looking at flight tracker over the Atlantic and I'm looking at a Pa28 flying nonstop Newfoundland to Great Britain 13 HOURS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How much can that carry in fuel ??

What is the internet path to view that site. Sounds interesting...

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Bangor, Goose or Gander, Iqualuit or Sonderstom, Narsarsuaqu, Kulusuk (NO AVGAS UNLESS PREARRANGED), Reykavik (Say hi to Sven for me), Faroe Islands, Prestwick, thence. You will need an inspection in Canada that will include your survival gear and radio. They won't let you leave with out it. Figure 400 USD per stop which doesnt include fuel. Watch the weather. Read "Fate is the Hunter" by Ernest Gann first for fear factor. Good luck!

 

[IP076]

You alos can "island hop" from;

Goose Bay Canada-Narsarsuaq Greenland-Kulusuk Greenland...you get the idea. I did it in a Chieftain without any ferry tanks. The longest leg was like 4.6 hours. Otherwise ferry tanks are in order.

How much fuel do you carry in that Chieftan? I'm not sure, but I thought it was 182 gallons, and we used to figure 45 an hour....

Just curious how you got 4.6 out of it....(I guess that math works out if you don't want a reserve)

 

[FracCapt]

Reykavik (Say hi to Sven for me)

Uhhhhh......you're gonna have to be more specific!

 

[FracCapt]

How much fuel do you carry in that Chieftan? I'm not sure, but I thought it was 182 gallons, and we used to figure 45 an hour....

45 gallons an hour for a Chieftain?!?! Don't you know how the mixtures work?! Now, I admit....it's been many years since I have flown a PA31(and only have about 500 hours in them)...but I KNOW those 350hp engines don't burn 22.5gals/hr each on average. IIRC, we used to lean for about 13-14gph per engine at 75% power.

 

[IP076]

45 gallons an hour for a Chieftain?!?! Don't you know how the mixtures work?! Now, I admit....it's been many years since I have flown a PA31(and only have about 500 hours in them)...but I KNOW those 350hp engines don't burn 22.5gals/hr each on average. IIRC, we used to lean for about 13-14gph per engine at 75% power.

Yeah, probably a bad idea to post after a bachelor party.....didn't remember all the facts...

75% percent power - 2400 RPM

at 10k' ISA, with the mixtures leaned for Best Power (125 Rich of peak EGT), the book says 43.6 gph. Best Economy (Peak EGT) will give you 35.3 gph. Book shows only 2 knots difference in airspeeds. Guess I didn't remember the large difference in flow for only a small sacrifice in airspeed. The company I used to work for would be mad if we did anything to slow the airplane down 2 knots.....doesn't matter that we probably would have saved tons of money in gas. However, running with the lower EGT probably gives the engines a little extension on life.

Now, if you figure 55% power - 2200 RPM on an ISA day at 10000', you'll get 168 knots at best economy burning 26.3 gph total. At Best power, you'll get 170 knots at 32.6 gph. - Thats also 31 knots slower than 75% power.

After looking through the charts, I can see where that 4.6 works out, and you still have a little over 2 hours of reserve.

 

[FracCapt]

Yeah, probably a bad idea to post after a bachelor party.....

It's ok, as long as it's not YOUR bachelor party....if so, you have a whole new set of problems to deal with!

75% percent power - 2400 RPM
Now, if you figure 55% power - 2200 RPM on an ISA day at 10000'

Like I said before, it's been years since I have flown the PA31 series....so I don't remember specific numbers really...but what MP are those numbers based on? I think we used to run something along the lines of 30"/2400 or so, and lean to 50 rich of peak EGT. Most legs were under an hour, so I rarely flew above 6-8k.

 

[IP076]

Yeah, not mine.....not for a looooooooooonng time....

We always ran 33" MP at 2400 RPM, which the book shows as 75% at 10000' on an ISA day. I don't recall what the 55% MP was.

 

[TriJet]

Ferrying

I ferried a PN-68 (Partenavia, spell?) from OAK to HNL years back. the whole back of the airplane was full of gas, it took us 14.5 hours to make it there.

Those who have not heard of the PN-68, it's a high-wing light twin.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Last night on my way home, I saw a fairy with boots on dancing with a dwarf.

 

[FracCapt]

Last night on my way home, I saw a fairy with boots on dancing with a dwarf.

Ah....so you like THAT KIND of strip club...