Commercial Manuvers

[#1 FLAMED OUT]

Anyone have an easy way of teaching Chandeles, Lazy Eights, Eights on Pylons in Cessna 152?? Trying to teach this student and he is having a hard time with this!

Thanks

 

[midlifeflyer]

Depends on what the trouble is. Not understanding it at all requires a diffferent solution than not looking out the window,

 

[Kream926]

when i was learning lazy 8's i was looking too much inside and not outside and also pulling up waaaaaaaay too much at first. my cfi covered up tha panel with a sectional and made me do it "by the seat of my pantS" sorta say just using outside refrences. when we removed the sec. i was well within standards. just my 2 cents, maybe it will help your guy. also he made me set up the initial pitch att. and notice how much of the stick columb was stickin out and holding that input. at the 90 deg. point it then would "slice" through the horizon by itself

 

[bobbysamd]

Lazy 8s v. the other Commercial maneuvers

A very common student error with Lazy 8s is doing them too fast. Lazy 8s are just that - lazy - and should not be rushed. I think the reason why students rush Lazy 8s is because in most Commercial training flight profiles they are preceded by steep turns and chandelles, which are aggressive maneuvers. Nothing wrong with that profile - but have your student take a little break and relax before starting on Lazy 8s.

Another error with all three maneuvers is orientation. Teach your students to orient themselves by doing the maneuvers over straight roads. Oklahoma was great for teaching commercial maneuvers because its roads are laid out in one-mile sections with north-south and east-west roads, with fence lines bisecting the sections. This was especially great for chandelles. We did not have these kinds of roads in Florida, but the citrus groves were laid out in sections which were divided, so that worked.

Hope that helps a little more. I second the suggestion about covering up the panel and making your student perform the maneuvers by outside references only, which is how they're supposed to be performed; in fact, you should do this one or two flights before the checkride or stage check to ensure your student is keeping his/her head outside the cockpit.