Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
  • Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
  • Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
  • Share the passion for aviation
  • Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun

Comair's Training Pay

Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
  • Invite your friends
  • Share the passion of aviation
  • Friendliest aviation community on the web

BlackPilot628

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 20, 2004
Posts
816
It is my understanding that Comair does not pay you during Training except for Per. of $250.00 a week. I also heard that they only put you up in a hotel for the first 7 days. I have a interview coming up with them this week and I'm debating weather to go or cancel. I couldn't afford to not get paid for 9 to 11 weeks.

Thoughts from COM guys and girls?
 
I'd say go to the interview no matter what. Even if you don't want the job, the interview will be good experience for the job you want in the future.
 
Yeh your right, you should not go to Comair. Wait for CHQ or MESA. I don't know what Comair is thinking, they should know that someone like yourself could never except that kind of pay. You could go back to being a flight instructor if the money is really that important.

Maybe if you tell them how you can bedate with the weather they will give you more money.
Nice

Good luck
 
Last edited:
cmrflyer said:
Yeh your right, you should not go to Comair. Wait for CHQ or MESA. I don't know what Comair is thinking, they should know that someone like yourself could never except that kind of pay. You could go back to being a flight instructor if the money is really that important.

I am currently flying for a 121 carrier and have an upcoming interview with CHQ on the 19th of this month.
The only reason i'm asking about this is because I own a House and have bills to pay. Ya know?

Thoughts?
 
Like i said, if you don't like what they offer you for the first three months, don't bother going. Stay where you are, but i guess that because you have been sending your resume out, you must either be over paid or really love your current job.

Good luck.

By the way, what did your current 121 job pay you when you were in training.
 
You are going to get $240.00 a week and they will pay the first 7 days of your hotel. After the 7 days you need to find a crash pad and that will cost you between $120.00 to over $300.00 a month depending on the size of the pad and how many people are in it. Uba757
 
I dont think its unreasonable for a person to require a salary for two months while in training.

This individual has obviously done his research. He knows that he has financial obligations and needs to be able to support his family.

After all, we dont take jobs for the heck of it!

Comair needs to realize that there are certain people who will not be able to make that sacrifice.

Lets use airlinepilotpay.com and Chautauqua's first-year pay.

$22/hr. Lets assume they're paid a 70 hour guarantee while in training.

So thats $1540 per month or $3080 for the two month period during training. On top of that lets assume that the individual decides to get a hotel room during training (which Chautauqua, presumably, would pay for). The best deal i've seen on an extended stay hotel is $150/week. If our intrepid newhire shares a hotel room for the 2 month period we're adding another $600 to the kitty. So lets say around $3700 is the total. From that we'll subtract $2000 (the Comair $250/week) and we get $1700 as the COST of training at Comair vs. Chautauqua.

Thats nothing to sneeze at!

You know, at some point professional pilots need to realize that they've given up enough. We pay for type-ratings, some have paid for training, we got paid pennies to fly 19 seat turboprops and now we get pennies to fly 75 seat transcontinental jetliners.

Comair has a long training program. It's not unreasonable for a PROFESSIONAL pilot to expect to be compensated for his time during training. If they choose not to provide that, then they do so understanding that there are some candidates -- who might have been wonderful additions to the Comair family -- who will not be able to accept that opportunity.

For that individual, perhaps Chautauqua, Skywest, PSA, etc... might, in fact, be a better choice.

So, CMRFLYER -- don't be too hard on blackpilot628 for his concern. Chances are his daddy isn't footing the bill. He has bills to pay and is being responsible for himself and his family.

Sounds like a good man. Comair's loss.
 
O.K. The answer is dont waste your time at Comair and just go to the interview at Chautauqua. Gook Luck and so long!!!!!!!!! Uba757
 
You don't have to go with one of the "less desirable" regionals to get paid in training.

Horizon for example. They are hiring, they have one of the better contracts among the regionals and they *gasp* PAY you your guarantee from day one in training. They also pay for your hotel during training. Quite a concept, evidently.

I recall a concept that Comair was pioneering back in the early 90s. Anyone care to talk about THAT??
 
enjoy CHQ. i hear they pay is out of this world.

By the way, we all have bills to pay, we just put up with them, we don't p!ss and moan about them. Its called the real world.

Do what is best for you.

Tell me again how much CHQ pays in training, and what five star hotel they put you up in. Right. Like i said , its called the real world, you should try it sometime.
 
You must be referring to their state of the art ab intitio pilot training complex in Sanford, FL. Sorry to say you would have washed out, as they only accepted 'the best of the best'.
 
My friend, i'm firmly rooted in the real-world. I dont hear him pissing or moaning about his bills. I DO see him making an educated decision regarding his career. He wants to work for your company. He sees a financial road-block.

If you dont see Comair's training-pay as a PROBLEM, then perhaps you need a wakeup call. Here's one.

During your strike your battle cry was "Get Real!"

REAL airlines take care of their employees during training.
 
Darn you... There you go being reasonable again... You should know better by now. People like me an you are going to have a hard time making it in this business M.W.
 
was just hired at CHQ and start in a week or so. For the 1st 30 days you get $125 a week to cover meals. Hotel is provided at a pretty nice hotel. After 30 days you get your guarantee at $21.52/hr at 75 hours a month. The initial uniform must be purchased by the employee, but can be payroll deducted.

Yes the 125 a week won't pay the bills, but I've got a couple paychecks coming from my CFI job left plus money in savings if I need to dip into, but I shouldn't have to.

If I can do training on a CFI wage, I'm sure you guys making somewhat decent salary should have no problem.
 
ok so maybe Chautauqua was a bad example.... (lol) The point remains the same.

You know, i'm beginning to think you're right J.G.

It just doesn't make any sense to even TRY to have a reasonable discussion on here anymore.

As long as these guys are willing to sell their souls to feed their SJS (shiny-jet syndrome) they'll never make any headway.

Maybe if one of your newhires agrees to go to training for free you can use that money to paint your pink airplane. ;)

:D :D
 
FurloughedAgain said:
Maybe if one of your newhires agrees to go to training for free you can use that money to paint your pink airplane. ;)

:D :D

Ah Ha!!!! I now have a great idea, I shall give you FULL credit my good friend!!!

BEHOLD the new rage of corporate aviation !!!

PAY FOR PAINT (to be known on this board as PFP...)

And for the last time, it's NOT PINK. It's "desert sunrise".!!!...!!!
 
Last edited:
FurloughedAgain said:
My friend, i'm firmly rooted in the real-world. I dont hear him pissing or moaning about his bills. I DO see him making an educated decision regarding his career. He wants to work for your company. He sees a financial road-block.

I honestly not moaning. I understand the real world. I'm only 23 years old but I pay all my bills on time and try to educate myself on every possible job opportunity before I accept it. I feel that everyone should do the same. I didn't mean to start a flame. I appreciate all the comments and help.
 
Not only was Chitaco a bad example every regional is a bad example. Most don’t pay much during training, if any at all. I heard Skywest come up. There training is just as long as CMR and you get paid nothing until after your aircraft checkout. Then after that I think it’s a base of 65 hrs until IOE is over then it bumps up to 75 hrs/mo both at 19.02/hr. all. I heard Skywest come up. There training is just as long as CMR and you get paid nothing until after your aircraft checkout. Then after that I think it’s a base of 65 hrs until IOE is over then it bumps up to 75 hrs/mo both at 19.02/hr. Yes they do put you in a hotel but who pays for your food? CMR pays you basically a salary of $6 hr based on 40 hrs/wk. At least its something. There are a lot of families that live on a $6 hr job. If you can’t afford it you should not have over extended your self. It’s not like you have ever made any more than what CMR will pay you.
 
You didn't start a flame.

Some people believe that "for the love of the game" you should sell your soul to the devil.

I personally believe that -- as you have done -- pilots should research their options and make decisions that they and their families can live with. (assuming you have a choice which, more often than not, pilots dont)

Dont think you started a flame, you did not. You opened a very important topic. When you begin employment with a company I believe you have every right to expect that they will compensate you for your services from day one. There's nothing wrong with that expectation.

CMRFLYER and I have a difference in opinion. That happens both in the cockpit and out. It's nothing new. He's just wrong. ;)
 
Blackpilot,
You fly for TSA now? CMR would be much better. Every airline needs someone that wants more. Go to the interview to learn more about the co.
 
I came from a 121 and for sure I knew that I needed to put some money in the bank. It was just the "reasonable" thing to do. You are either going to spend your savings in traning or once you get to the line. Hopefully one is smart enough to take all those things into consideration. My old 121 company paid 250 a week for Per-Diem and hotel double occupancy so what every company is different. If you want the job do it if not dont. If you dont have enough in the bank to cover at-least the first 3 or 4 months you should stay at your 121 untill you get some cash in the bank, is just that simple. UBA757
 
So let me get this right...you're complaining because the regional airline with the highest paid pilots won't pay you enough for the first two months?

And we all complain about the airlines only planning for the short term...
 
No. I'm complaining because the airline with the highest paid CRJ pilots is paying their pilots $6 per hour during training.

I honestly can't believe that this is not troubling to some of you.
 
As an ex-comair guy, I have some experience with this.

I'd like to start off by telling "cmrflyer' to get a frickin' life. You provide nothing useful by being a dick. The fact that they only pay 240$/wk is a joke and you know it - that's the reality check right there. IMO this was one of the weakest parts of the contract. There is absolutely nothing wrong with expecting a fair wage from day one. Low pay or no pay during training is an unfortunate reality at too many companies and is attributed to WEAK bargaining.

That being said, life's a b^tch, and myself like many others, sucked it up through training. If you have savings, this would be a good time to dip into it because Comair is a great airline to work for once you're on line. If you have a house, but no emergency funds, you're a missed paycheck away from some ugly stuff. That's a whole other topic.

At Eagle, we were paid gaurantee + 24hr per diem from day one. My current airline paid newhires the FO line average, but no per diem. You get what you negotiate. Management is laughing all the way to the bank at Comair and the likes. Low pay or no pay subsidizes your training costs...

FurloughedAgain is right on as usual. $6/hr says it all. It's insulting.
 
Last edited:
Comair pilots are NOT the highest paid CRJ pilots, according to airlinepilotpay.com. It took less than 5 mins to find a higher paying company that DOES pay their pilots from day one in training.

Besides, if you're not working for Comair, then you don't have to be a part of the Association of Bleeding Rectums for Growth, the Brotherhood Who Walked for Nothing, and a part of the most dysfunctional "family" in the airline industry.

There are FAR better options in the regional world than Comair. The company that brought PFT to the masses.
 
Yank apparently has some unresolved issues. :)

Anyway, everything has to be negotiated and nothing comes free. Just curious what you would be willing to give up in the current Comair contract to have gotten reasonable training pay.
 
And by the way if you are going to try to put someone down atleast spell the words you use correctly. Disfunctional is spelled with an I not a Y. UBA757.
 
uba757 said:
And by the way if you are going to try to put someone down atleast spell the words you use correctly. Disfunctional is spelled with an I not a Y. UBA757.


Oh for crying out loud!

Uba, it is dysfunctional.

Ward
 

Latest resources

Back
Top Bottom