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Comair's fate up in air
Experts: Spinoff from Delta still possible

By Lucy May
Cincinnati Business Courier
Updated: 8:00 p.m. ET Sept. 19, 2004


For months, analysts speculated that Delta Air Lines might spin off its wholly owned subsidiaries -- locally based Comair Inc. and Atlantic Southeast Airlines -- to infuse cash into the ailing carrier.

While such a spinoff was not part of the recovery strategy Delta announced Sept. 8, industry observers and insiders say Comair and ASA are still very much in play.

In fact, many expect Delta will spin off the regional carriers as part of CEO Gerald Grinstein's efforts to save the airline.

"Grinstein's mandate was to look at things objectively. He was tasked to retool the company, and nothing is sacrosanct," said Doug Abbey, a partner in the Velocity Group, an airline consultancy in Washington, D.C. "A spinoff is conceivable in the next year or so, or even as soon as the next six months."

It's unclear how such a spinoff would impact Comair, which employs about 4,000 in Greater Cincinnati. By all accounts, the regional carrier has been critical in stabilizing Delta since the terror attacks of 2001. Comair flights represent most of Delta's traffic at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport, where Delta and its affiliates control more than 90 percent of all flights.

But Comair's growth has slowed in recent years. An 89-day pilots strike in early 2001 resulted in a contract that made Comair's pilots the best paid in the regional airline industry. And Comair President Randy Rademacher has told employees repeatedly that Comair's high costs make it difficult for the airline to compete.

"Even within the Delta family, there's competition for the flying," said Deborah McElroy, president of the Regional Airline Association based in Washington, D.C. "It doesn't matter whether you're owned or not, there's no entitlement to fly anymore."

David Beckerman, director of consulting services for BACK Aviation Solutions in Washington, D.C., noted that just last year Delta asked all its regional partners to submit bids for new routes. Those bids led the airline to send more business to Chautauqua Airlines, not Comair.

"Delta probably learned a lot about how various carriers compare," Beckerman said.

These days, airlines can get the connecting service they need and the control they want by contracting with regional airlines instead of owning them, he added.

Industry insiders say even if Comair were spun off as an independent airline, it would be difficult for the regional carrier to compete with its current cost structure.

Comair management approached the pilots union last October about reopening the five-year contract and lowering costs within the month to try to win more Delta business. Union leaders rejected the request, saying the airline hadn't given them enough time to study the matter thoroughly.

Comair spokesman Nick Miller declined to comment on any speculation about a possible spinoff or on Comair's financial health except to say Comair knows "that Delta is working very hard to lower its cost structure, and we're going to have to be ready to respond to that.

"We may be owned by Delta, but the fact is, we're a supplier," Miller said. "We provide connecting feed, and we compete with other airlines for that opportunity."

In a memo to employees dated Sept. 8 -- the day Grinstein announced Delta's network changes -- Comair's Rademacher wrote that the day's developments showed "the uncertainty and drastic impact restructuring efforts can have on major airlines and regional partners."

"Our best chance to control our own fate during transformation means having the foresight and will to make decisions that ensure we have competitive costs in every area of the company," he wrote.

Much of Delta's future, and that of Comair, rests with whether Grinstein and his management team can avoid a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing. If Delta does file for Chapter 11, which Grinstein has said could be just weeks away, it's unclear whether Comair and ASA would be part of the filing.

Delta acquired Comair in 2000 for $1.8 billion. Comair's stock had eight 3-for-2 splits since going public in 1981, and the regional airline was known for profit margins more than double the industry standard of 10 percent. Word in the industry was that Delta wanted a bigger share of those profits.

But the changing industry has led other major airlines to sell off regional carriers.

Northwest Airlines raised $255 million last November selling nearly 89 percent of its regional carrier, Pinnacle, in a public stock offering. And Continental Airlines raised $300 million in 2002 with an IPO that left it with a 53 percent interest in ExpressJet. Continental has since sold off more stock in the carrier.

Comair has maintained some independence since being acquired by Delta. The airline has always kept a separate flight certificate and has its own uniforms, flight and maintenance operations, which helps fuel speculation about a spinoff.

But the airline will have to find a way to work through its high costs, whether it's owned by Delta or not, the association's McElroy said.

"It's critically important for the regionals to remain the low-cost producer in order to be valuable to the majors," she said.

© 2004 Cincinnati Business Courier
 
I think that Cincinnati is a pretty boring place to live.... Not much happens there. These media morons need to write about something to justify their paychecks..
 
Excellent article. CMR's spinoff is more a matter of when then if. There is no need for DAL to own the equity stake in it's regional partners. In a world where the flying contracted to small jet providers will be dedermined by RFPs, there is no shortage of suppliers of that lift and the carrier with the best bid gets the flying.
 
FDJ2 said:
Excellent article. CMR's spinoff is more a matter of when then if. There is no need for DAL to own the equity stake in it's regional partners.
Right, because contracting everything out has been so successful for UA. UA has hemorraghed millions on their contract operations and in the process driven customers away by the boatload. Go visit the shack UA built over at IAD to see the chaos. Even better, one of UA's little contract carriers broke away and is now using the same RJ's UA helped pay for against UA.

Will DL eventually sell Comair off? Probably. It won't happen right now, because Comair (and ASA) have little value since they are tied to a company teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. However, the sell-off of Comair will eventually comeback to haunt DL when many of the planes DL helped buy are someday turned against them.
 
Yeah,and USAirways has benefitted huge by using the lowest of the low to feed them same with United...Delta is doing/gonna do the same thing..real smart, maybe I should just go into management, I couldn't do any worse than the other shmucks.
 
MedFlyer said:
Right, because contracting everything out has been so successful for UA.
And having WO'ed small jet providers has been at least equally as damaging to DAL. $3B in cash, just to acquire ASA and CMR, followed by billions in acquiring the worlds largest RJ fleet, and not to mention eating a $750M strike. DAL never really had to hemorage $5-6B in the last five years by acquiring ASA/CMR and all those RJs with theire high CASMs, when a simple fee for departure arrangement, which is becoming the industry norm for small jet lift, would have served DAL just as well, without draining billions in cash and billions in long term lease obligations
 
FDJ2 said:
And having WO'ed small jet providers has been at least equally as damaging to DAL. $3B in cash, just to acquire ASA and CMR, followed by billions in acquiring the worlds largest RJ fleet, and not to mention eating a $750M strike. DAL never really had to hemorage $5-6B in the last five years by acquiring ASA/CMR and all those RJs with theire high CASMs, when a simple fee for departure arrangement, which is becoming the industry norm for small jet lift, would have served DAL just as well, without draining billions in cash and billions in long term lease obligations
Blame DAL management not the pilots of ASA/Comair.

Jobear
 
I might be wrong, but I think one the reasons DAL bought Comair was because of the threat Comair posed had they chose to go it alone in CVG. It would'nt suprise me to see Comair spunoff, then eventually compete against Delta a la Independence Air.
 
Last two paragraphs of the article say it all... Comair has to keep costs competitive to be valuable to Delta. Doesn't look like Comair can compete at the moment against CHQ, Skywest or even Skyway with their lower cost bases. A lot of people over the last 6 months, including myself, have noted Continental's spin off of COEX (sell stock in the entity to the public - not an acquisition) as a model for Delta going forward.

I'd say that if competitive cost cuts don't happen soon at Comair/ASA, a spinoff will be a lot more likely because as a public entity, Comair or ASA would have to cut costs to viably compete for mainline business. Clearly a certain amount of business between Comair/ASA and Delta would need to be guaranteed going forward in order to reduce the risk for new stockholders - but it would be a limited time period (say 5 years). Sorry to say it, but cost cuts are likely one way or the other as the salary/benefits bar continues to decline...
 
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If they spin it off they will also give away some of that enormous debt. And if they do spin off and turn into the next Indy Air, then Lawson and Ford can actually do something they always wanted to do---fly a mainline jet for low rates. (like Indy Air)


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
180ToTheMarker said:
I might be wrong, but I think one the reasons DAL bought Comair was because of the threat Comair posed had they chose to go it alone in CVG.
COMAIR had the option to go it alone if they wanted to, but they chose not to, too risky.

When CMR's very lucrative DAL contract came up for renewal CMR had three choices, either become independent, become just another contract small jet provider, or accept DAL's offer to become a WO. CMR managent chose to become a WO subsidiary.
 
then Lawson and Ford can actually do something they always wanted to do---fly a mainline jet for low rates.


That just about sums it up. LMAO
 
FDJ2 and Gen Lee,

You guys really need to get out more. What you meant to say is that Lawson and Ford could fly mainline equipment for low rates like the Delta boys are going to do.

Waco
 
I'm not saying that it's impossible, but I don't believe that Delta will spin off either Comair or ASA at this point.

Imagine the top dollar offer you would get if you try to sell your dependent subsidiary on the eve of your own bankruptcy. My estimation is you would get pennies on the dollar for such an offering. It would be like trying to sell an ice cream franchise right before you closed down the factory that made the ice cream.

The more likely scenario for a spin-off of either WO would be in Bankruptcy Court where the judge "recommends" a sale. Or, if Delta avoids bankruptcy by brokering a deal with their pilots and creditors and devises a believable plan to compete in this economic environment, the value of ASA and Comair would increase to the point where a sale would be palatable.
 
Waco,


The lower we HAVE TO go, the lower YOU WILL ALSO EVENTUALLY GO. From what I have heard, Malone hopes you guys do not go lower, but the concensus is that if you guys want the feed, you will eventually go a lot lower. Sad but true these days. We haven't given up anything freely, and neither have you. BUT, that will change and if we go down by 30% or whatever, you can bet your a$$ you will too eventually. That does $uck.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Heavy Set said:
Doesn't look like Comair can compete at the moment against CHQ, Skywest or even Skyway with their lower cost bases.
Why don't you back these numbers up? Please provide a link that shows Comair's costs are the higher than these other carriers.

Unless you are assuming that simply because Comair's pilots are the highest paid, therefore Comair has the highest cost. However, I wouldn't think a DAL pilot would be dumb enough to go down that road.

Face it, your union got greedy. You gave away all your growth to Comair, ASA, SkyWest, CHQ, Air France, Korean,etc. Now, your careers are stagnant and your pay is about to collapse. You're desperately looking for someone to blame, so you figure you may as well go after those evil RJ's. Sorry my friend, you screwed yourself.
 
General lee- I wish DALPA didn't have to come down on wages but something needs to be done. We (and we are all in the same boat since I have to sell my home of 6 months in DFW- TO STOP COMMUTING!!) are in a world of hurt.
If you look at current Mesa our 4 year rates (amendable 9/15/02) are only a c-hair better. We are already at a concessionary salary.
Eventually, the pride of the uniform will wear off and other carriers will begin to seek higher wages. Especially since the Valhalla of Mainline is for the most part gone.
If you boys don't act soon ( and you should have shocked the company by coming back 1% higher in concessions; can you imagine Wall Street reaction?) or BK court will decide your wages and who gets the 70/100 seater. I am pro-DALPA but I am quickly becoming disillusioned. Thoughts? Rum
 
Rum,


This whole thing is DESIGNED to scare you. Yes, we are hurting financially---no doubt there---but there is a method to this maddness IMO. I have read that Malone and Grinstein talk on the phone twice a week minimum. I bet they are both holding out to get the others(creditors, lenders, venders) in line also. I don't know one pilot that doesn't expect a large pay cut. If we had given it all up 6 months ago, the creditors etc would have said, "Great, you guys got some more money from those stinking pilots, and now we don't have to contribute...." We really need everyone to chip in here to have a chance to pull out of this ok. Grinstein can take anything he wants from the non contract people (stews, mechanics, ground people etc), and I bet the pilots are ready too. But, they have to get another chunk from the creditors etc. United currently pays 737 rates for their 747s (leases). We need to trim our leases payments down also. This thing will probably go down to the wire, but I bet we already have some sort of an agreement or are very close to one. If we can't get one and we are headed into Chap 11 anyway, then it is best to negotiate once in Chap 11---not before and then during. I think there is a method to this maddness. That is my opinion, though......


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee- I hope the majority share your opinion. I hope Grinstein is not Boss Hogg!! All best- Wil
 

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