Colgan Contracts

[YMICFI]

Does anyone find it interesting that the Colgans signed a contract with Pinnacle? They have a contract with their codeshares. They have contracts with fuelers, uniform distributors and other service providers. They made all of us sign training contracts and upgrade and transition contracts.

Yet, they don't want to sign a contract with their pilots. They advertise on this site for "professional pilots." If we are in fact "professional pilots," don't we deserve a legally binding contract?

VOTE YES MY FELLOW COLGAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

Let's Make It Better and get the contract we deserve.

 

[BirdCatcher]

Does anyone find it interesting that the Colgans signed a contract with Pinnacle? They have a contract with their codeshares. They have contracts with fuelers, uniform distributors and other service providers. They made all of us sign training contracts and upgrade and transition contracts.

Yet, they don't want to sign a contract with their pilots. They advertise on this site for "professional pilots." If we are in fact "professional pilots," don't we deserve a legally binding contract?

VOTE YES MY FELLOW COLGAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

Let's Make It Better and get the contract we deserve.

That's sure is a great point, they expect everyone around them to be legally held to expectations yet they don't want any expectations on themselves.

"The writing is on the wall"

"Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything"

 

[Bulldog Price]

Colgan Air is a stepping stone. As employees, you can hold them accountable by working for them with the threat to quit, after the contract is up. If you didn't like the terms of the initial contract, don't work for the company in the first place. If Colgan does not treat you as well as another company will, quit Colgan and get a job with another employer that values your skill more. If you can't find an employer that values your skills as much as you think, start your own company. It's easier in this country than any other in the world. If you want to work with a pilot group that has ALPA, I suggest you quit Colgan now, and get a job with group that ALPA represents. The effects of ALPA on the pilot group at Colgan will not be seen for a while. Hopefully you can upgrade and get a job somewhere else before that happens. If you want to be a lifer at Colgan, maybe ALPA can help.
I don't know much about this, so tell me where I went wrong.

 

[DoinTime]

Colgan Air is a stepping stone. As employees, you can hold them accountable by working for them with the threat to quit, after the contract is up. If you didn't like the terms of the initial contract, don't work for the company in the first place. If Colgan does not treat you as well as another company will, quit Colgan and get a job with another employer that values your skill more. If you can't find an employer that values your skills as much as you think, start your own company. It's easier in this country than any other in the world. If you want to work with a pilot group that has ALPA, I suggest you quit Colgan now, and get a job with group that ALPA represents. The effects of ALPA on the pilot group at Colgan will not be seen for a while. Hopefully you can upgrade and get a job somewhere else before that happens. If you want to be a lifer at Colgan, maybe ALPA can help.
I don't know much about this, so tell me where I went wrong.

Way to stand up for the profession.

With guys like you all of us will have to start looking for a way out of this industry.

Vote ALPA....Vote your future.

 

[BirdCatcher]

Colgan Air is a stepping stone. As employees, you can hold them accountable by working for them with the threat to quit, after the contract is up. If you didn't like the terms of the initial contract, don't work for the company in the first place. If Colgan does not treat you as well as another company will, quit Colgan and get a job with another employer that values your skill more. If you can't find an employer that values your skills as much as you think, start your own company. It's easier in this country than any other in the world. If you want to work with a pilot group that has ALPA, I suggest you quit Colgan now, and get a job with group that ALPA represents. The effects of ALPA on the pilot group at Colgan will not be seen for a while. Hopefully you can upgrade and get a job somewhere else before that happens. If you want to be a lifer at Colgan, maybe ALPA can help.
I don't know much about this, so tell me where I went wrong.

This company is a stepping stone, I'm sure you want to go to bigger and better things. Answer me this, do you want those at the company you want to work at have an attitude of "I'm on my way out, forget you, if you don't like it leave." What does that do for you and your future? When does the domino effect stop?

As you know people at Colgan do vote with their feet. Our FO attrition says it all. Here's a concept, instead of losing experienced quality FOs and replacing them with 300 hour TT guys (no offense to them) make things better and keep them. I know a lot are leaving for QOL issues, that's it.

Bulldog again, "Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything."

An attitude of "I'm just paying my dues" won't get you anywhere. You'll pay your dues at Colgan, pay your dues as a reserve FO at a major, pay your dues on the next industry downturn, pay your dues as a junior CA at major and so on until you get your week of being the senior guy before you retire.

 

[PCL_128]

If you want to work with a pilot group that has ALPA, I suggest you quit Colgan now, and get a job with group that ALPA represents.

Or you could just stand up for yourself and get ALPA at Colgan. Just a thought....

The effects of ALPA on the pilot group at Colgan will not be seen for a while.

Not true. If voted in, the effects will be immediate. There won't be a contract in place immediately, but disciplinary grievance proceedings will be available, access to ALPA resources such as Aeromedical and the accident hotline will be available, and the company will be somewhat limited in what conditions of employment they can change until a contract is completed. The full range of benefits from a binding contract may not be available immediately, but many benefits are.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

When one talks to the new FO's coming on line... and the subject of Air Line Pilot careers comes up... with talking points such as QOL, pay, retirement, etc., the new guys think that all of this is taken care of...somehow... When they hear that as individuals, one has to engage politically to make thier career better they respond with a look that clearly states...

"dude.....what are you talking about!!! I am flying a jet!"

 

[XJohXJ]

Colgan Air is a stepping stone. As employees, you can hold them accountable by working for them with the threat to quit, after the contract is up. If you didn't like the terms of the initial contract, don't work for the company in the first place. If Colgan does not treat you as well as another company will, quit Colgan and get a job with another employer that values your skill more. If you can't find an employer that values your skills as much as you think, start your own company. It's easier in this country than any other in the world. If you want to work with a pilot group that has ALPA, I suggest you quit Colgan now, and get a job with group that ALPA represents. The effects of ALPA on the pilot group at Colgan will not be seen for a while. Hopefully you can upgrade and get a job somewhere else before that happens. If you want to be a lifer at Colgan, maybe ALPA can help.
I don't know much about this, so tell me where I went wrong.

Your argument is weak and lame. You fail to recognize the fact that Colgan is no longer even Colgan anymore. It is now Colgan Owned by Pinnacle! The overall holding company has several thousands of employees and well over a thousand pilots (someone else can help me with the exact numbers). Most of those pilots are unionized. To suggest that a company with that many employees is "just a stepping stone" is absurd.

When you get into the thousands you will have at least a few hundred who are making the company a long time home. Furthermore, if you are only one out of thousands, exactly where do you find your guarantee that you will be able to move on when and where you choose to do so?

In fact, if there is even one pilot senior to you in either sub-companies' seniority lists, that might possibly suggest to you that it is not so easy to find better employment elsewhere.

To suggest that you do not need a union because you plan to move on (apparently immediately) is selfish, thoughtless, and ignorant.

In planning on the absolute certainty of a better (but currently, fantasy) future for yourself at a higher quality employer which in actuality may or may not occur, you are throwing away a solid chance at transforming your true, immediate, actual reality into something you can be proud of, rather than ashamed. Are you really that foolish?