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Probe takes closer look
Key parts of doomed Beechcraft 1900D are taken to Washington for more intense scrutiny.

By EMILY C. DOOLEY and DAMIAN PALETTA
STAFF WRITERS
Investigators are taking a closer look at key pieces of wreckage from the plane that crashed off Yarmouth last week, killing two men.

The National Transportation Safety Board took the Beechcraft 1900D's throttle assembly, the elevator trim system, and two control yokes to its headquarters in Washington, D.C., for further analysis, said Robert Gretz, the agency's air safety investigator on the case.

On Aug. 26, the US Airways Express flight operated by Colgan Air crashed minutes after taking off from Barnstable Municipal Airport. Pilot Scott Knabe, 39, and co-pilot Steven Dean, 38, were killed. There were no passengers on board.

Before the crash, maintenance crews for Colgan Air in Hyannis replaced several parts of the plane's elevator trim system, which controls the plane's equilibrium.

The crew did routine maintenance and replaced the parts over the course of three days, ending the day prior to the crash.

The Beechcraft 1900D is used to carry hundreds of passengers between the Cape and islands, as well as Boston and New York City every day.

Gretz said they are taking a closer look at the trim because pilots reported a problem with that equipment just before the plane crashed.

"It's just part of the investigation," he said. "We do know that the pilots reported runaway trim. We have better working conditions in Washington, and rather than working on a hangar floor, we can work in a nice secure lab with all the tools."



"Witness marks"
An aviation expert said the NTSB is likely trying to gauge the position of the controls at the time of impact. John Hansman, director of the International Center for Air Transportation at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said the force of a crash often leaves behind what investigators call "witness marks," which could indicate what was happening inside the plane.
Colgan air is conducting its own investigation into the crash, company Vice President Mary Finnigan said yesterday.

Citing the investigation, Finnigan declined to comment on whether maintenance work on other Beechcraft 1900Ds in the Colgan fleet was being scrutinized or if the four-person crew that worked on the ill-fated plane were still employees of the airline, which is based in Manassas, Va.

"I'm not going to answer anything like that," Finnigan said.

The plane crashed into the water 100 yards from Point Gammon as the pilot was turning the aircraft back to Hyannis to make an emergency landing.

Investigators are looking at both the pieces installed in the plane as well as the pieces taken out of the plane by maintenance workers.

Investigators will have to work without some clues, though. Gretz said the plane's elevator cable snapped, and not all of the cable has been located.

The missing component may make it difficult to determine a cause, but it is something investigators will pursue, Hansman said.

"What they want to determine is, 'Did the failure occur due to the accident or due to something before the accident?'" Hansman said.

There were problems with the elevator cable in a Beechcraft 1900D that crashed in Charlotte, N.C., in January, killing all 21 aboard. Investigators are looking for links in the two crashes.

In the Charlotte case, maintenance had been performed two days before the crash, and the NTSB later said the crash may have occurred because of a repair manual that provided instructions for a different airplane.

After the Charlotte crash, the FAA issued an order known as an "airworthiness directive" that required maintenance crews to change the way they performed work on the airplane's elevators in all Beechcraft 1900Ds. It required a person in the cockpit to operate the controls while another person was stationed at the airplane's tail to be sure the equipment responded properly.

So far, neither the NTSB nor the FAA has issued any such directives as a result of the Hyannis crash for the Beechcraft 1900D, a plane that was manufactured by Raytheon Aircraft Co.

"At this point we are still looking at it as one airplane and not a fleetwide problem," Gretz said.



Links investigated
But that does not mean inspectors and companies are not paying attention to the possible link between the crashes.
The FAA and principal maintenance inspectors routinely observe work done on airplanes. If a company has a fleet that includes planes that have been the subject of problems - such as maintenance performed on similar parts before a crash - they would pay specific attention, said Susan Coughlin, who is president and CEO of the Aviation Safety Alliance and former vice chairwoman of the NTSB.

The Alliance is a not-for-profit advocacy group that promotes understanding of safety records and standards in the commercial and general aviation industry.

"Certainly, anyone today who is overseeing maintenance of 1900s is going to be particularly sensitive to looking at maintenance procedures that may have been the result of a crash," Coughlin said.

An insurance adjuster is taking the rest of the Cape Cod wreckage to a holding hangar in Biddeford, Maine.

(Published: September 4, 2003)
 
It's all about the distance traveled while decellerating. As the distance is reduced, the G load approaches infinite.

Aircraft travelling at 130 knots (V2 plus 10 knots or so) is doing 216.6 feet/second.
One "G" = 29.4 ft/sec2
300 "Gs" = 300 * 29.4 ft/sec2 = 8820 ft/sec2

A nominal 7.36 G deceleration (216.6 ft/sec2) would take 108 feet and 1 second to stop.

Our 300.00 G deceleration (8820/ft/sec2) would take only 2.16 feet and .02 secs to stop.

Ouch. Considering the incompressiblity of water and the relative fragility and bulk of the forward section of the Mighty Beech, this estimate seems plausible if they struck the water with any appreciable angle. My captain and I had the privelege of departing a Mx base last week with an empty aircraft and a fresh entry in the logbook detailing the extensive work on the elevator trim system that had been accomplished the previous evening. It certainly gave us pause.
 
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First report cites no definite cause

By EMILY C. DOOLEY
STAFF WRITER
HYANNIS - A preliminary report about the fatal Colgan Air crash off the coast of Yarmouth last week does not pinpoint any one factor as a cause of the accident.

While National Transportation Safety Board authorities have been focusing on equipment that was replaced one day before the crash, they said it will be at least six months before they have a definitive answer.

"At this point we haven't found that something done in the maintenance would cause the pilot to report a runaway trim," NTSB air safety investigator Robert Gretz said yesterday. "We really don't know what the cause is yet."

The 19-seat Beechcraft 1900D left Barnstable Municipal Airport at 3:38 p.m. Aug. 26 and was bound for Albany. Five seconds after takeoff pilot Scott A. Knabe, 39, of Cincinnati, reported he had a problem withtrim control. . Moments later, witnesses reported seeing the plane fly over Hyannis Harbor and begin to turn back toward land only to crash about 100 yards off Point Gammon, sending up a wall of water.

Knabe and the first officer, Steven Dean, 38, of Euless, Texas, were killed.

Earlier this week, investigators took key pieces of wreckage to Washington, D.C., for analysis. Examination of the throttle system, two control yokes and the elevator trim system are not yet finished, Gretz said.

A four-person Colgan Air maintenance crew replaced two elevator trim actuators and a forward elevator trim cable before the accident. Those three components help control the pitch and equilibrium of the aircraft. Colgan Air Flight 9446, which is opened as a U.S. Airways Express Flight, was the first flight after the maintenance was performed.

While the plane was found in 14 to 18 feet of water, not all pieces have been recovered. Investigators said they found the tail and cockpit portions of the elevator cable, but not the portion that runs through the midsection of the plane. Determining whether it snapped, causing the crash or tore as a result of impact with the water will be among investigators' tasks. Lab work and microscopic inspection should be able to provide those answers, Gretz said. The elevator components in the tail of the plane were all accounted for. "Everything that should be there, is there," Gretz said.

Investigators also collected the plane's engines, which showed signs of damage caused by the impact. The plane was traveling at about 250 knots when it crashed, according to the preliminary report. Portions of both wings, cockpit and fuselage were also recovered.

In addition to maintenance, NTSB officials are also looking into flight training, company procedures and other factors that may have led to the crash. Two investigators who looked into a similar crash of a 1900D in Charlotte this past January are also on the Cape crash team.

In the North Carolina accident, the twin-engine, turbo-prop aircraft crashed into a hangar just after takeoff, killing all 21 aboard. In a preliminary report, the NTSB said an incorrect cable adjustment done two days prior may have hindered control of the plane. The federal agency also found that a third-party maintenance crew had a manual that was for the correct plane but included cable adjustment directions for a different aircraft.

Raytheon Aircraft, which manufactures the Beechcraft 1900D, then sent out updated manuals. No such action so far has been required following the Colgan Air crash.

"Several operators have asked whether they should be looking at any areas in particular as a result of the accident," Raytheon spokesman Tim Travis said in an e-mail. "Our response is the investigation has not yet revealed any particular areas that need to be addressed."

Colgan Air, which operates as an USAirways Express carrier, is also conducting an internal investigation. Colgan Air Vice President Mary Finnigan could not be reached for comment yesterday.

The NTSB is still waiting results of autopsies and toxicology tests performed on the two pilots, who together had more than 5,300 hours of flight time, including 2,040 hours on Beechcraft 1990Ds, according to Colgan Air. Neither pilot had any action, enforcements or incidents on record with the Federal Aviation Administration, spokesman Roland Herwig said last week.

(Published: September 6, 2003)









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From reading several different reports here and elsewhere I had the idea that the crew was attempting a water landing and veered off at the last second to avoid a boat. That gave me a mental picture of some kind of aileron control, some elevator control and a slower speed. Why the high speed unless it was in an uncontrolled or semi controlled dive? Power off?
 
Those reports, which surfaced shortly after the accident, appear to be false. The aircraft was attempting to land on runway 33. There was good info on the CVR that indicates this.
 
Hey Randy, Sorry I havent gotten a hold of you. Do me a favor and Leave your number again. Thanks Bob...Hey ya gonna be in Hyannis? Looking forward to meeting you and Ian!
 

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