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Which airline is next?

Fuel crisis could be the beginning of end of one or more of the nation's major carriers: experts.
May 25, 2004: 4:30 PM EDT
By Chris Isidore, CNN/Money senior writer



NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - With new threats of bankruptcies, and appeals for labor concessions and government assistance, the nation's major airlines are facing a crisis that may well spell the end for one or more carrier in the next few years, according to industry executives and experts.

Airlines have traditionally taken a long time to die -- Trans World Airlines lost money for decades before its final bankruptcy filing and acquisition. But experts say the carriers operating a big network of hubs and international flights -- the so-called legacy or major carriers -- face new challenges that could speed up their demise.


First is the growing competition from low-cost, low-fare carriers that is unlike any competitive threat seen by the industry before. Carriers such as Southwest Airlines, JetBlue and ATA have grown so fast and so large they have limited the ability of the network carriers to raise fares to stem losses, even with a record high percentage of seats being filled on aircraft last year.

The latest effort -- a $10-one-way fare hike announced by Continental Airlines last week due to the high fuel costs -- was abandoned this week.

"If fuel prices continue to remain at these levels and if the industry is unable to pass along these costs, no one is going to be able to survive," said Continental spokeswoman Julie King. Continental CEO Gordon Bethune told analysts last week that he didn't believe all the major carriers would survive.

No cushion left
A second factor is the prolonged period of losses. None of the big carriers other than Continental has posted a quarterly profit since 2000, and Continental has had only one profitable quarter since Sept. 11. Nor are any of them expected to be profitable this year, and only half are expected to have a profitable 2005.

"During the recent downturn, the legacy carriers have gradually used up their financial cushion of aircraft and other assets they can borrow against," said Philip Baggaley, the managing director for airlines and aerospace companies at credit-rating agency Standard & Poor's. "If they are forced to face a new crisis, they may fail more quickly than they have in the past."

Baggaley estimates that of the six major carriers -- AMR Corp.'s American Airlines, UAL Corp's United Airlines, Delta Air Lines, Northwest Airlines, Continental Airlines and U.S. Airways -- only three or four are likely to make it to the end of the decade.

The other problem is that a failure of a major carrier is unlikely to provide much long-term relief from competition, as it might have in the past, according to industry experts.

"The airplanes, the physical plant and production capacity of the industry doesn't change if a carrier goes out of business," said David Swierenga, an economist with industry consultant AeroEcon, who speculated that a major carrier's liquidation could open the door for even more competition from low-fare carriers.

Who goes, who survives?
The question of who might be forced to liquidate is a tougher question to answer.

US Airways, which has already gone in and out of a post-Sept. 11 bankruptcy, is facing the threat of another bankruptcy filing, US Air executives said.

The airline is seeking further labor cost cuts from unions. Besides the fuel price increases, US Air is facing the most direct competition yet from a major low-cost carrier with Southwest Airlines' recent start of operations at its Philadelphia hub. US Air spokeswoman Amy Kudwa said the statement, made in an SEC filing, was a matter of prudence.

"There isn't any legacy carrier in the nation that can say with certainty that a bankruptcy filing is not possible," said Kudwa.

Still most analysts and experts say US Air is the big carrier most at risk.

"US Air is prime candidate (for closure)," said Ray Neidl, airline analyst with Blaylock & Partners. "The other big question mark is United, and how they restructure themselves."

United has been in bankruptcy since late 2002, and company spokeswoman Jean Medina says the airline is on course to emerge from bankruptcy this summer. But that will require it to win approval of $1.6 billion in federal loan guarantees which have yet to get OK'd by the federal board overseeing the assistance program set up after the terrorist attack.

"We believe that's a workable time frame, but there are some things out of our control," she said, citing the need for the loan guarantees.

Delta has also warned it faces a bankruptcy filing if it does not win labor concessions from its pilots. And Continental warned last week it would be forced to seek concessions it has thus far avoided if it doesn't get relief from high fuel costs or low fares soon.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/25/news/fortune500/airlines_outlook/index.htm
 
"The other problem is that a failure of a major carrier is unlikely to provide much long-term relief from competition, as it might have in the past, according to industry experts.
The airplanes, the physical plant and production capacity of the industry doesn't change if a carrier goes out of business," said David Swierenga, an economist with industry consultant AeroEcon, who speculated that a major carrier's liquidation could open the door for even more competition from low-fare carriers."

Exactly. The pilots for these future ultra low cost carriers can then lecture today's LCC pilots about their out of whack cost structures / work rules some day right here on this board.
 
You're right. We need to get back to the days of 800 dollar fares from Buffalo to La Guardia! Those were the days!
 
The only things that change in these "Doomsday" articles folks post here are the by-line dates. The media is trying to sell papers by repeating themselves...

"Legacy carriers...blah blah blah...MAY (emphasis added) file Bankruptcy....blah blah blah....due to labor costs....blah blah blah...and direct competition from LCCs...blah blah blah...compounded by high fuel costs...blah blah blah...

yeah...we get the point....

Where's the new news?
 
$800 LGA-BUF

That certainly would make the profits go up, more pay for employees, however there would be fewer employees, because more peole would drive LGA-BUF to save $500. Airlines would shrink, pilots would go backward in senority, but those who kept their seats may see a return to the glory days of the majors.
 
"a return to the glory days of the majors. - I thought they were here already?
 
I not too sure what a major is or isnt anymore beyond size... they keep looking more and more like the LCC's. Song, Ted, America West... ?

I always understood domestic to be fluff.. and the real dough was in international business? Domestic was feed for the 'HUB'

It seems the product has changed domestically. Unfortunately it is 'Welcome aboard', here's your pretzels, and pop, thanks for flying us... bla bla bla...

Price point, customer service, destination choices, and frequency are the only concerns after the travel agents were removed from the process.

The new entrant LCC's have to be competetive with the big boys .. and therefore lower costs... labor , health care, retirement.... I'm not exactly for it ... but how can it be stopped? I think the majors didnt act quick enough to stop there growth. Now it is too little too late. American couldnt seem to stop SWA ??

Your ablity to improve your pay and benefits depends ultimately on the success of your company. And the longevity of the organization.. numerous labor contracts over many many years.

Just rambling thoughts from the north woods of Wisconsin
 
Skank said:
You're right. We need to get back to the days of 800 dollar fares from Buffalo to La Guardia! Those were the days!

When you look at the retirement packages that were achieved by legacy carrier pilots in the past versus what you or I could expect to see in the future --- yes--- those were the days. And they are now numbered. The old guys can shake their heads and be thankful they came along when they did. Have a great career.
 
Grass is ALWAYS greener...

Everything organization I belonged to was better before I got there. In college the organizations I belonged to were "awesome a few years before" is what I was told. Then came flight school, where things were "easier", "made more sense", or "emphasized fun more". Each squadron after that was the same thing... "things were so much better even a year ago around here" My current job; the same thing.

Two points:
1) Organizations and procedures will change...they have to. Our industry is changing so we must either keep up or die (this is where management either fails or succeeds). Keeping up with "the times" does not and should not mean when the bottom line takes a dive, the line workers take the hit. This is just piss poor lazy management style, and is a very good reason to support the union. You may not agree with everything your union does (like endorse Kerry), but the proper channels to voice your opinion exist, so use them.

2) Looking back at all the different places I have been and worked, if I believed things were as bad as everyone said they were; I would have been miserable. The fact is, I had great times at all of my assignments. It has a lot to do with attitude and the people around you. Make the best out of the situation presented before you. Look forward while moving forward, because if you are always looking back, you ARE GOING to fall (a lesson I learned in the first year of life BTW). Rely on someone else for your happiness, security, or retirement, and you are setting yourself up for a fall. Should I expect my employer to provide all those things for me? Yes. But I plan for just the opposite.

Now can anyone tell me where my sexy american girlfriend is?
:(
 

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