Citation X Numbers

[hawker]

TO all you 750 drivers I have a numbers question. I was in a 3800 ft strip today. The manager of the airport said there is a 750 that goes in there all the time. Just wondering how smart that is and how little fuel they have when the land. The amt they have when they land is the same amt the have when they leave seeing this poodunk airport does not sell kerosene. Thanks for the info.

 

[501261]

A C750 into a 3800' runway??????

That’s pretty frickin brave!

Ya, it's doable if you're less than 30,000#s and it’s less than 60F, but that's an awfully small runway for a X.

You know airport managers aren't the most reliable source of information, unless you see it for yourself I wouldn't put too much stock in it. Now a Citation Excel (C560XL) could easily be mistaken for a C750 by someone that doesn't see a lot of jets and the Excel can easily handle a 3800' strip.

 

[jetboy 604]

on the sub.

Not to change the subject but I got a good one, they even played by the book. Went on a demo flight in the global excess.We had 6Pax fueled at ESN went to HXD(4300ft) landed with 4.5 hrs fuel still on board. Droped 2pax, went to EGE(1400nm) at .85 and landed with a little over1.5hrs of fuel on board. Wasn't hot day but we liked the demo. Great Airplane!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

yeah but Global and Citation X completly diffrent beasts...

that global wing can get you off runways in 1500ft light!

ones a real airplane, ones a cessna.

 

[bigD]

Dammit, there's nothing wrong with flying Cessnas!

 

[cessna_driver2]

Dammit, there's nothing wrong with flying Cessnas!

Yeah I just love the permenant diamond impressions in my forhead.

 

[banned username 2]

Dammit, there's nothing wrong with flying Cessnas!

Said like a true Cessna Pilot! j/k

 

[CXAV8]

My company has a min. length of 5000 ft. 3800 ft. is trouble waiting to happen. If this company does this, where does it stop the risky behavior.

 

[banned username 2]

If this company does this, where does it stop the risky behavior.

The day the airplane really needs 3,900 ft and the runway is 3,800 ft., unfortunately.

 

[2000flyer]

Having no experience in a X, I still have trouble believing they can even come up with a BFL for 3800'.

What happens when this X rolls in and a shower passes before takeoff. Hopefully the town at least has a cheap motel and a nice FBO owner to give them a ride in his pickup!

2000Flyer

 

[NJA Capt]

Having no experience in a X, I still have trouble believing they can even come up with a BFL for 3800'.

BFL conditions:
Flaps 15/31,000#
Sea Level
0c
0 wind
3780'
Enough fuel for 3 pax for 2.5 hours 1800# reserve.

Still not the brightest thing to do. 5000' is our limit too.

 

[MooseTrax]

New Corporate Aircraft

Spend about $180M and then no problem.........of course you'll need a runway stressed for 400K-450K pounds.

"With a payload of 160,000 pounds, the C-17 can take off from a 7,600-foot airfield, fly 2,400 nautical miles, and land on a small, austere airfield in 3,000 feet or less. The C-17 is equipped with an externally blown flap system that allows a steep, low-speed final approach and low-landing speeds for routine short-field landings."

Just thought I'd add a bit of humor.............cheers.

Regards,

 

[2000flyer]

BFL conditions:
Flaps 15/31,000#
Sea Level
0c
0 wind
3780'
Enough fuel for 3 pax for 2.5 hours excluding reserves.

Still not the brightest thing to do. 5000' is our limit too.

Good info NJA, now just hope the crew doesn't taxi onto the runway and roll down 40' before brake and power-up! You're last line says it best, "...not the brightest..."

2000Flyer

 

[banned username 2]

BFL conditions:
Flaps 15/31,000#
Sea Level
0c
0 wind
3780'
Enough fuel for 3 pax for 2.5 hours excluding reserves.

Still not the brightest thing to do. 5000' is our limit too.

Just for fun I ran these conditions on the Falcon 900EX and 50EX just for comparison.

Conditions:

Sea Level
0c
0 wind
Enough fuel for 3 pax for 2.5 hours including 45 min reserves.

Falcon 900EX - BFL 2,710 ft. required (2nd segment gradient 14.6%)
Falcon 50EX - BFL 2,900 ft. required (2nd segment gradient 10.5%)

 

[fokkerjet]

F2000

Here's the F2000:

BFL conditions:

20 flaps / 30, 500 lbs
sea level
0 wind
0 degrees C
3800' runway
3 paxs, 2.5 hours and land with about a 2000 lb reserve

 

[jetboy 604]

601 is at 3450ft. at 35,000#t/o.

 

[banned username 2]

601 is at 3450ft. at 35,000#t/o.

What does 35,000 lbs. get you? How much fuel (in hours) and how many pax?

 

[2000flyer]

PETAL

Falcon Capt.


Do you guy's use PETAL to do your performance calculations?

2000Flyer

 

[banned username 2]

Re: PETAL

Falcon Capt.


Do you guy's use PETAL to do your performance calculations?

2000Flyer

Nope, we use UltraNav... I have heard of PETAL but haven't seen it. Do you guys use it?

 

[jetboy 604]

601

I used the above 3 pax(200), 0deg, sea-level,2.5hrs fuel(8600going fast)2200#res.
This is out of the simuflite book, nope never use pedle?
is it like flex or simple data temps and weights?