Cheating

[Deuce130]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,252341,00.html

Thought it pains me to highlight my alma mater in a negative light, these cadets are DUMB. Not sure what's dumber, cheating on a knowledge test that has no real bearing on your GPA or cadet status, or forwarding the answers via email and PMs. Don't they know that all emails can be pulled up by the comm guys?? Hard to deny anything when they show you your own freakin' email! Kids these days....

 

[AlbieF15]

Yeah...back in my day when we cheated we didn't have no stinkin' internet...we had the cheat the old fashioned way...in the SNOW...and we LIKED it...

Ain't many things that can get you clobbered in the AF, but here were the ones I remember...

Don't steal. Ever. That means pirating software, etc. A two hundred dollar Word program is not worth a multi-million dollar career, retirement, and reputation. Stealing is always a very bad ORM decision and your honor once tarnished cannot be recovered.

Don't screw the help. (sometimes folks did, got caught, and recovered. Sometimes they DID NOT recover. However--you knew the rules--if you were busted you could get clobbered).

Don't do drugs. Ever. Of any kind... (drugs=Leavenworth)

Don't get a DUI. (see remarks on screwing help. Sometimes guys skated--sometimes not.)

Don't do anything DELIBERATELY stupid with an airplane. Buffonery can fade. Criminality cannot.

Dont' cheat. (Except EPEs at UPT...until a big stink a few years ago. And your mission/instrument checkride stan/eval tests...except your INITIAL aircraft checkout tests. And WATTs, Intel tests, and quarterly stuff. But don't cheat on stuff outside the squadron...unless its one of those tests you are EXPECTED to cheat on, 'cause if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'...)

Not that hard, really. I could save the AFROTC and OTS guys about 100 hours of ground training with 2 hours of "see...that's what f--ked this guy. Don't be that guy..." Just play it straight.

20 great years, 4 promotions, and no paperwork...and it wasn't that hard. I never could figure out how so many guys could screw it up....

 

[dfwdavi8r]

Cheat but don't get caught.

Yeah...back in my day when we cheated we didn't have no stinkin' internet...we had the cheat the old fashioned way...in the SNOW...and we LIKED it...

Ain't many things that can get you clobbered in the AF, but here were the ones I remember...

Don't steal. Ever. That means pirating software, etc. A two hundred dollar Word program is not worth a multi-million dollar career, retirement, and reputation. Stealing is always a very bad ORM decision and your honor once tarnished cannot be recovered.

Don't screw the help. (sometimes folks did, got caught, and recovered. Sometimes they DID NOT recover. However--you knew the rules--if you were busted you could get clobbered).

Don't do drugs. Ever. Of any kind... (drugs=Leavenworth)

Don't get a DUI. (see remarks on screwing help. Sometimes guys skated--sometimes not.)

Don't do anything DELIBERATELY stupid with an airplane. Buffonery can fade. Criminality cannot.

Dont' cheat. (Except EPEs at UPT...until a big stink a few years ago. And your mission/instrument checkride stan/eval tests...except your INITIAL aircraft checkout tests. And WATTs, Intel tests, and quarterly stuff. But don't cheat on stuff outside the squadron...unless its one of those tests you are EXPECTED to cheat on, 'cause if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'...)

Not that hard, really. I could save the AFROTC and OTS guys about 100 hours of ground training with 2 hours of "see...that's what f--ked this guy. Don't be that guy..." Just play it straight.

20 great years, 4 promotions, and no paperwork...and it wasn't that hard. I never could figure out how so many guys could screw it up....

I'll never get the New "do as I say not as I do" mentality.

I cheated because if you "weren't cheatin, you weren't tryin"

I used the squadron MQF, Gouge, Intell... whatever you had.

Support the O'Club. Drink because it's fun, just don't get caught.

When we drank, we stole things. Bells, Mascots, we even stole a stuffed coyote once.

We sang songs and signed doofer books

I chased the help, didn't get caught

We did LOTS of stupid things in airplanes, LOTS. We didn't bend metal but we were lucky. We were better for it.

I guess the world has changed. Does anyone really believe things are better now? Sometimes I can't believe what I hear.

"In my Air Force we drank whiskey and F*&cked women. Today, they drink Diet Coke and screw each other." Heard that one the other day. Rather appropriate I would say

I guess I'm just lucky that I got out in time and relatively "unscathed". I know I sound like one of those guys that I used to make fun of. "Back when the Program was hard and the Jets were Silver". TFB

Rant over

And my Name is Sammy Small...............

 

[414Flyer]

I never had the opportunity to be a mil pilot, but I so immensely respect those who have achieved my dream. But sometimes officers, while still human of course while some might argue are not, make such bad judgements that leave my shaking my head.

When I was in an aviation explorers unit at Sheppard AFB in high school, a major on base caught shoplifting a belt.

The ex Eagle Driver taking a staff PacAf assignment smuggling pot in his underwear waistband. When I mentioned this to one of my friends who flies fighters and how I was surprised about a USAF pilot smoking pot, he said "You would be surprised"

An ENJPPT IP and ex Vark pilot made to seperate after being caught cheating on something. A bit of a weasel, and I dont mean wild weasel.

One of my close high school friends got booted from the Blue Zoo after ring dance.

 

[XShipRider]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,252341,00.html

Thought it pains me to highlight my alma mater in a negative light, these cadets are DUMB. Not sure what's dumber, cheating on a knowledge test that has no real bearing on your GPA or cadet status, or forwarding the answers via email and PMs. Don't they know that all emails can be pulled up by the comm guys?? Hard to deny anything when they show you your own freakin' email! Kids these days....

All the while the computer geek is sittin' in the back of the room just takin' it all in. He spoofed IPs and e-mail addresses to incriminate his classmates. Guess who's the next valedictorian?

 

[JimNtexas]

Albie, you're pretty much right as I understand today's hypermoralist Air Force. I would add that if it comes to a choice between DUI and posing for Playboy/Playgirl, take the DUI. They won't kick you out for your first DUI, but they will for your first naughty picture.

There was a time when we put naughty pictures on the noses of our airplanes, but those days are long gone.

My experiences in the Air Force were a little more like dfwdavi's, except that I don't drink and didn't spend as much time as I should have at the bar.

The moral code on stealing as I understood would be that it would be death to steal for personal gain, but heroic to steal as part of a prank or to steal something that would help your squadron gain an advantage over an inspector or another squadron.

Cheating was even more nuanced. Unoffical MQF's, lots of instructor foot stomping, and debriefs from the guy who took that test last were common and not considered a sin.

On the other hand, I think if you carried a crib sheet into a test you'd be considered a very limp member indeed and would probably be punished.

One guy I knew was kicked out at the 18 year point for pencil whipping the attendance sheet for instrument school.

He joined a west coast C-141 unit, where he pencil whipped some training and got caught by a newspaper flying a squadron truck in the back of their airplane to New Orleans, where the crew took said truck to a pro basketball game.

I don't know how the Reserve settled the case, but it made all the papers and probably didn't help him much with his unit.

 

[Huggyu2]

Albie, face it: back when you cheated on tests, you had to steal the "purples" from the mimeograph machines, 'cause that's as far as the technology had progressed back then!
My question: were you and your buds sniffing the "purples"???
I remember those things smelling pretty good,... kind of an acquired taste.
You should modify your company to do interview prep for those kids planning on entering the military as an officer: your 2 hour plan could help a lot of the new ones that I've met!
Great post.

OK, I'm trying to figure out how to stick these "smileys" into my post, but it ain't workin'.

 

[CFI2766]

Yeah...back in my day when we cheated we didn't have no stinkin' internet...we had the cheat the old fashioned way...in the SNOW...and we LIKED it...

Ain't many things that can get you clobbered in the AF, but here were the ones I remember...

Don't steal. Ever. That means pirating software, etc. A two hundred dollar Word program is not worth a multi-million dollar career, retirement, and reputation. Stealing is always a very bad ORM decision and your honor once tarnished cannot be recovered.

Don't screw the help. (sometimes folks did, got caught, and recovered. Sometimes they DID NOT recover. However--you knew the rules--if you were busted you could get clobbered).

Don't do drugs. Ever. Of any kind... (drugs=Leavenworth)

Don't get a DUI. (see remarks on screwing help. Sometimes guys skated--sometimes not.)

Don't do anything DELIBERATELY stupid with an airplane. Buffonery can fade. Criminality cannot.

Dont' cheat. (Except EPEs at UPT...until a big stink a few years ago. And your mission/instrument checkride stan/eval tests...except your INITIAL aircraft checkout tests. And WATTs, Intel tests, and quarterly stuff. But don't cheat on stuff outside the squadron...unless its one of those tests you are EXPECTED to cheat on, 'cause if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'...)

Not that hard, really. I could save the AFROTC and OTS guys about 100 hours of ground training with 2 hours of "see...that's what f--ked this guy. Don't be that guy..." Just play it straight.

20 great years, 4 promotions, and no paperwork...and it wasn't that hard. I never could figure out how so many guys could screw it up....

Fantastic post.

This will also mostly get you to where you want to go in the civilian 121 world.

 

[Andy]

We did LOTS of stupid things in airplanes, LOTS. We didn't bend metal but we were lucky. We were better for it.

I gotta second dfwdavi8r on all points, especially the one above.

 

[talondriver]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,252341,00.html

Thought it pains me to highlight my alma mater in a negative light, these cadets are DUMB. Not sure what's dumber, cheating on a knowledge test that has no real bearing on your GPA or cadet status, or forwarding the answers via email and PMs. Don't they know that all emails can be pulled up by the comm guys?? Hard to deny anything when they show you your own freakin' email! Kids these days....

Here's a remedy to the problem: Bulldozers and wrecking balls.

I'm sure C-springs can use a huge car pool parking lot northwest of the city.