Chaos

[737 Pylt]

C Creating
H Havoc
A Around
O Our
S System

Anyone else hear anything like this if the AFA gets their way?
737

 

[Dennis Miller]

C Can't
H Handle
A Another
O Old lady
S Stewardess

Pretty much sums up the traveling public's CHAOS.

 

[SWAInflt]

C Creating
H Havoc
A Around
O Our
S System

Anyone else hear anything like this if the AFA gets their way?
737

The subject came up once or twice during or recent negotiations with SWA, here's a link to more information:

http://www.afanet.org/default.asp?id=519#what_is_chaos

 

[Trojan]

CHAOS has been an AFA tactic for some time, I experienced it with two different airlines. It is an "unauthorized" tactical shutdown, crews "not available" on a flight by flight basis, often at out-stations. Management FAs often ghost-passengered to try to cover these occurances. At one airline, it was the management FAs who finally went to the company and said "were tired, time to solve the problem". Lots of disciplinary actions occur over this technique however.

 

[klhoard]

Wow, they have trademarked CHAOS. . .

I think the members of that "other" evil organization the Maxwell Smart used to do battle with will be pi$$ed. . .

 

[Vik]

That was KAOS on "Get Smart"

Wow, they have trademarked CHAOS. . .

I think the members of that "other" evil organization the Maxwell Smart used to do battle with will be pi$$ed. . .

 

[100LL... Again!]

Shtarker!

Zis is KAOS!

We do not "bang-bang' here!

 

[Midnight Mike]

United cabin staff prepare to launch CHAOS campaign

The article states that the targeted walkouts under CHAOS are supposed to "temporarily disrupt operations and annoy passengers while causing a steady erosion of customer support for the airline."



http://www.atwonline.com/indexfull.cfm?newsid=4755

 

[jetblue320]

The article states that the targeted walkouts under CHAOS are supposed to "temporarily disrupt operations and annoy passengers while causing a steady erosion of customer support for the airline."

Heck, that's not a new campaign, it's business as usual. So what's new?

C yaaa

 

[klhoard]

Doh!!!

That was KAOS on "Get Smart"

Doh!!! You guys are right!!! I guess they get to keep the Trademark. . .

 

[Resume Writer]

Someone said that CHAOS was an "unauthorized" disruption of service. CHAOS does not happen unless the AFA members are released into self-help after a 30-day cooling off period.

The beauty behind CHAOS is that random strikes happen at any time. It was successfully done by the Alaska Airlines FA's a number of years ago. AWA FA's, when in negotiations, were going to employ these tactics. However, in the 11th hour a tentative agreement was reached.

No one, except the union MEC, knew when or where the "random strikes" were going to occur. They would have called us on a layover and told us what the action was going to be for that flight. We had agreements set up with other FA union members to get us home from an outstation.
Kathy

 

[PHXFLYR]

If CHAOS was ever implemented at AWA , you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and normal ops

PHXFLYR

 

[Resume Writer]

If CHAOS was ever implemented at AWA , you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and normal ops

PHXFLYR

PHX,

I had to laugh at your post! Back in the mid to late 1990's, On Time Performance was in the trash, MX issues were high, delays were lengthy and the operation had gone to the dogs.

Whenever something out of the ordinary happened, FAs write up irregularity reports. I remember one day we actually left on time. I turned to my crew and told them we had to write up an irregularity report. When asked why, I told them, "We left on time and that is very out of the ordinary!"

Kathy

 

[Dizel8]

CHAOS is not the honorable way to act out!

If you are peed off and want to take action, then strike. That way, the passenger knows to make alternate arrangements or simply buy a ticket on another carrier. Penalizing the passenger, because one is upset with management is just silly. So no to CHAOS, yes to strikes!

 

[AAflyer]

CHAOS is not the honorable way to act out!

If you are peed off and want to take action, then strike. That way, the passenger knows to make alternate arrangements or simply buy a ticket on another carrier. Penalizing the passenger, because one is upset with management is just silly. So no to CHAOS, yes to strikes!

Neither is abrogating a negotiated contract in BK. Neither is underfunding your pension, and then terminating it. Neither is being treated the way tens of thousands of airline employees are being treated.


At least the FAs have balls enough to stand up to the rape and pilage of this industry. The day USAirways dumped their pilots' pensions, we collectively as a group should have parked every single jet in the country as a form of unity.

Since we as pilot group continue to let standard of living spiral downwards and have no interest in helping save ourselves, maybe the FAs can.

AA

P.S In case you hadn't figured it out, a strike is worthless these days, you can be fined, told to go back to work, etc. CHAOS works.

If you can't make your business work without taking from your employees, then SHUT IT DOWN!

 

[Dizel8]

AAflyer,

I agree with most of that and yes, this business is not what it used to be and sadly, may never be again.

Having said that though, I still am not enarmored with CHAOS, since while it disrupts the company, the victim is really the passenger. Now, we can discuss back and forth, as to whether fares are to low, they are, but the airlines are offering them.

With a strike, the passenger knows not to book a flight with that carrier, with CHAOS, the passenger is left in the dark. I may be mad at management, but why take that out on the passenger, the same who relistically pays my salary.

I have just bought tickets on ATA, one of the potentially affected carriers. If they were to institue CHAOS on those flights, I would be hosed and hosed at the last minute mind you, with few options. If they were to call a strike, then at least I could plan accordingly.

The honorable thing to do, in my eyes, would be to call a strike, set a deadline and if an agreement is not reached, walk out!

 

[Daveman]

C Can't
H Handle
A Another
O Old lady
S Stewardess

Pretty much sums up the traveling public's CHAOS.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if you are Dennis Miller. Keep up the good work, beers on my tab!

 

[AAflyer]

Diesel,

These are the same passengers that trash the cabin? The same passengers who will easily spend $5 bucks for a cup of coffee (Starbucks) but refuse to pay more than a couple hundred to fly coast to coast?

These passengers have accepted gas hikes with everything else, but not on their airline ticket? So now as employees we must subsidize their fares with our wages?

Are these the same passengers that just barked at me yesterday for being late into ORD when we had an ATC hold out of PHL?

Yes, even with all that I know that the passengers pay my wages, but this BS has to stop. The only way to strike back is through CHAOS, unless you agree we should all unify and park these planes.

Shut it down, that will send a message to the government who does nothing about pension terminations, uses the ATSB as tool to break unions. To airline managers that use 9-11 and BK to abrogate contracts and bring unions to their knees, to the flying public who could give a sh!t which airline goes out of business as long they pay ticket fares that are historically lower than any other period in time (even the 80s) yet taxed by uncle SAM at almost 25% up from 11% in the 80s.

AA

 

[Brett Hull]

P.S In case you hadn't figured it out, a strike is worthless these days, you can be fined, told to go back to work, etc. CHAOS works.

I don't understand how it works. Can you be fined individually, or is the fine levied on the union itself? If it's only on the union, I don't understand what's keeping you guys from saying enough is enough? If they fine the union - well, it wouldn't be the first time a union's been fined. If they order you to go back to work, order them to go f--- themselves.