Challenger 350 question

[acaTerry]

System-wise, is it similar to the CRJ100/200?

 

[luckydog]

System-wise, is it similar to the CRJ100/200?

Similar in that they are both airplanes, otherwise, not even close.

CRJ200 was designed a long time about technology wise, the 350 was done nad redone fairly recently.

The 350 is much easier.

 

[acaTerry]

Thanks. Looking at fleets since displacements are going to be coming up. Knew the CRJ inside and out so I wanted a home-field advantage.

 

[hank1292]

CRJ = Long Challenger 604/5. 300/350 is a different bird.

 

[acaTerry]

CRJ = Long Challenger 604/5. 300/350 is a different bird.

Thanks

 

[johnsonrod]

Terry,

How soon are displacements expected? Are we just talking about the Gucci-Jet pilots or a larger displacement across fleets?

I know a few guys flying CL300s and they love it (Flex and P91). The 300 is very comfortable up front and it has a user-friendly PL-21. I expect that the CL350 offers improvements in most regards to the CL300. Check this out:

http://businessaircraft.bombardier.com/en/aircraft/challenger/challenger350.html#nb_aircraft_3

 

[Dirty Squirrel]

Thanks. Looking at fleets since displacements are going to be coming up. Knew the CRJ inside and out so I wanted a home-field advantage.

Fleet displacements? Enlighten us.

 

[acaTerry]

GV fleet entered disposal last year, guessing we may see another displacement bid before terribly long. Me, I'll leave the thing kicking and screaming, with carpet under my nails from pulling me out. I don't miss the small fleets at all.

 

[jtf]

The 350 sure looks great, but remember how NetJets uses the highly capable fleets- you will be a rented mule doing many long legs without a FA.. You will be able to recover for almost every fleet in that machine. Hopefully you won't get displaced until the 605s come online. Then even if they throw you in the Phenom, you should be able to bid out quickly. If worse comes to worse, go for the Hawker.

 

[acaTerry]

The 350 sure looks great, but remember how NetJets uses the highly capable fleets- you will be a rented mule doing many long legs without a FA.. You will be able to recover for almost every fleet in that machine. Hopefully you won't get displaced until the 605s come online. Then even if they throw you in the Phenom, you should be able to bid out quickly. If worse comes to worse, go for the Hawker.

That's how it was in the Encore Plus. Rented mule. Not looking forward to that gain. At least the 305 has an external lav. Man, those BeechJet and Citation lavs were nasty, and about 70% of the time we did the in and out ourselves because the line guys either wouldn't do it because they said NJA charged the FBO for spills, or they magically didn't know how how. When I was a line guy it was one of the first things we learned because the senior lineman loved having a junior guy to do it. Back to the point, I'm hoping displacements go to the Global but I dream....

 

[johnsonrod]

At least the 605 would have an FA.... When is the first 605 expected on property?

 

[acaTerry]

At least the 605 would have an FA.... When is the first 605 expected on property?

That's a good question. Too far out to think about now though.

 

[CALRepublic]

At least the 605 would have an FA.... When is the first 605 expected on property?

The CL605s are scheduled to start arriving late 2015

at what rate? Depends on how well they sell

The 605 will work hard. Lots of coast to coast and Caribbean trips (Families with 15 bags, etc). And i assume some Europe as the G-IV/Vs are not CPDLC equipped

 

[gutshotdraw]

The company says they "still haven't decided" whether the 605 will have an FA (we need a face palm icon).....

Terry, my guess is we dump the remaining classic V's over the next 18-24 months and keep the 450's and 550's indefinitely. That means roughly 25 displacements and then status quo for a while. If you have at least 10-15 SIC's below you in the fleet, I doubt you'll be junior-manned to another fleet anytime soon.

My HOPE is that, eventually, cooler heads prevail (like maybe a NEW CEO) and they realize we need to operate Gulfstreams AND Globals to service the high end customers properly.

At least until I can retire from this traveling minstrel show anyway....

 

[johnsonrod]

The CL605s are scheduled to start arriving late 2015

at what rate? Depends on how well they sell

The 605 will work hard. Lots of coast to coast and Caribbean trips (Families with 15 bags, etc). And i assume some Europe as the G-IV/Vs are not CPDLC equipped

Would the 605 basically play the roll that the F2000 is playing now?

 

[CALRepublic]

Would the 605 basically play the roll that the F2000 is playing now?

Yeap. The 605s replace the Falcon 2000s and the old G-IVs. That's how i understand it

 

[acaTerry]

The company says they "still haven't decided" whether the 605 will have an FA (we need a face palm icon).....

Terry, my guess is we dump the remaining classic V's over the next 18-24 months and keep the 450's and 550's indefinitely. That means roughly 25 displacements and then status quo for a while. If you have at least 10-15 SIC's below you in the fleet, I doubt you'll be junior-manned to another fleet anytime soon.

My HOPE is that, eventually, cooler heads prevail (like maybe a NEW CEO) and they realize we need to operate Gulfstreams AND Globals to service the high end customers properly.

At least until I can retire from this traveling minstrel show anyway....

Roger that Gut. The classics could leave tomorrow morning and it still wouldn't be fast enough....the 50 series have spoiled me. I thought being ADS C that we'd continue the Europe trips though.
I'm have 13 under me so it's a tossup. BUT I do have those GIV captains junior so maybe I can get a PIC spot, albeit in the small fleets. We shall see.

 

[ghostrider64]

There are no plans to displace any currently flying over 40K planes into anything other than over 40k planes. So fear not, you'll be remaining in something known as a large cabin.

 

[G4dude]

There are no plans to displace any currently flying over 40K planes into anything other than over 40k planes. So fear not, you'll be remaining in something known as a large cabin.

I hadn't heard that. Cool.