CFI's logging student landings

[Catbert]

This is definitely going to be one of those posts where everyone tells me I'm fixating on dumb stuff, but this question has been driving me nuts.

CFI's, do you log all of your students' landings? For example, Johnny and I go around the pattern 7 times in an hour. I go home that night and log it as 1.0 PIC and instruction given, do I also log 7 landings or what? Will anyone ever care? Does it matter? I didn't make 7 landings, so it seems kinda dishonest. Of course I didn't really fly the plane for 1 hour either, but I'm logging that because that's what we do as CFI's and it's plainly laid out as legal in the regs.

 

[Dan CFI/CFII]

"This is definitely going to be one of those posts where everyone tells me I'm fixating on dumb stuff, but this question has been driving me nuts."

You sure got that right!

" Of course I didn't really fly the plane for 1 hour either, but I'm logging that because that's what we do as CFI's and it's plainly laid out as legal in the regs."

As is this.

You only have to log landings to show currency right? So, for the purposes of currency...61.57(a)

"...made at least three takeoffs and three landings within the preceding 90 days, and—

(i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight controls;"

Seems pretty cut and dried to me.

But really, nobody cares man. Nobody is ever going to hire you because you have 139 landings in a Cessna 310, nor is the FAA going to waive your ATP requirements because you have so many landings.

Log landings to show currency, anything else is for your own amusement.

Dan

 

[Sphrynxlla]

if i dont land it i dont log it. that is why you steal landings from your student....

If i was on the controls a lot b/c they can't land it without killing me, then i log it...actually i dont log landings at all...just enough to stay current...

 

[Catbert]

if i dont land it i dont log it. that is why you steal landings from your student....

If i was on the controls a lot b/c they can't land it without killing me, then i log it...actually i dont log landings at all...just enough to stay current...

That's just what I'm trying to find out. Are most CFI's just putting a big 0 in the column, maybe a 1 just for the heck of it, or what? What's typical? Again, I know this is ridiculous, but over the course of a year or two, these pseudo-landings are going to add up, and I want to be as honest as possible. What's everyone else doing?

 

[minitour]

If you've got enough private or commercial students, you should be fine by logging the "sole manipulator" ones...not even the "partially manipulating" ones.

If you've got to demonstrate to your private students and commercial students shorts/softs plus normals to your private students...that's a lot of landings...

plus all the ones where the nose is pointed somewhere in the tower when you're slippin down the centerline at about 4 feet and you have to yell "my plane" at the last second...they did the approach, you did the landing...you log it...

I think you'll be fine...3 in 90 seems pretty easy...now for MEL currency...that's another story...

-mini

 

[bobbysamd]

Logging v. doing

if i dont land it i dont log it. that is why you steal landings from your student....

Exactly. The regs are clear that for you to count a landing you have to be sole manipulator of the controls.

Nothing wrong with taking a pattern from a student from time to time, especially for night currency.

 

[saltyworks]

It matters to we because, my 90 day currency in single engenes is always short. The only time I go up in single is with a student, so I hope the landings count.

 

[TurboS7]

When you watch a porno flick do you log it...........point made.

 

[JediNein]

If I had to intervene to prevent a painful death, I count it.

If the impact only shook a few filling loose, sent CSUN's seismologists to the war room, and contributed to the stress fractures radialing up the landing gear, but, death was not imminent, I don't log it.

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[groundpointsix]

When you watch a porno flick do you log it...........point made.

Don't you? Personally, I'm coming up on 10,000 hours.

 

[Flying Illini]

I only logged it when I landed it. If I have to seriously intervene then I usually will take the next one just to show them how it should be done.

Steal a landing from your student every now and again. It's OK. I would even tell mine that I was going to do it, and not because he/she was doing it wrong but because I needed to stay current.

You can also have them teach you through the circuit...it's a fun excercise and it keeps them involved while you maintain currency.

 

[midlifeflyer]

As Dan and Bobby pointed out, the regs are about as clear on this one as they can possibly be.

 

[KiloBase]

Airplane landings

Salty, Don't Airplane landings count no matter multi or single engine?

 

[SiuDude]

Salty, Don't Airplane landings count no matter multi or single engine?

Nope,
landings must be in the same category, class, and type (if applicable).
BTW, I only log 3 day and 3 night takeoffs and landings in a 90-day period. I don't bother to log anything beyond that.