CFI Liability question

[Steve]

Anyone ever have a student go off flying solo without a endorsemet after giving them training. I've been flying with a guy who has about 70 hours and owns his own Cessna 150. We've flown about 10 hours (not in his airplane). He shared with me last week that he had flown the 150 on a few very long cross country trips solo without his CFI's knowing about a year ago. Should I kick this guy to the curb? Have I put myself at risk career wise flying with him. I have NOT given him any endorsements and dont plan on it now, but he does have about 10 hours dual from me. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

steve

 

[flyingnome]

thats a good question, I had a guy fly into our FBO late last year and was asking for some instruction in the plane he just purchased. Turned out he didnt even have a medical or a student pilot certificate he just bought the plane, had 5 hours in it and was able to fly it 60 miles to our airport... needless to say I didnt get into his airplane

personally I would advise this student that what he is doing could get him into a lot of trouble and that you are not willing to put your certificate on the line for his stupidity... I do not believe that your flew flights with him have put you at risk as long as you have made it clear that he is not to fly by himself with out an endorsement...

 

[Black Hawk]

You are probably in the clear since you haven't signed him off for anything. However, it might be worth it to sit down with him, out of concern for his safety, and go over the endorsements and certificates he is required to have as well as the airplane requirements. Was an annual done? Can you trust him to take care of those details. Flying as a CFI in an aircraft without the proper records and inspections could get you, as the PIC, in trouble if something happens. Also emphasize the fact that his insurance policy will not cover him in event of an accident. Document that you went over these items with him. If it ever came back to you you'll have documentation that you did your part.

 

[minitour]

Maybe he didn't know he needed the endorsements. I'd probably want to sit and chat about the proper endorsements required...if he knew he needed the endorsements and did it anyway (which it sounds like), run...don't walk. Never look back. Document that you never endorsed him for any solo flight in your own records. Perhaps an endorsement in his logbook too...although that may be overkill.

JMHO

-mini

 

[flyingnome]

Maybe he didn't know he needed the endorsements. I'd probably want to sit and chat about the proper endorsements required...if he knew he needed the endorsements and did it anyway (which it sounds like), run...don't walk. Never look back. Document that you never endorsed him for any solo flight in your own records. Perhaps an endorsement in his logbook too...although that may be overkill.

JMHO

-mini

perfectly said

 

[Steve]

You are probably in the clear since you haven't signed him off for anything. However, it might be worth it to sit down with him, out of concern for his safety, and go over the endorsements and certificates he is required to have as well as the airplane requirements. Was an annual done? Can you trust him to take care of those details. Flying as a CFI in an aircraft without the proper records and inspections could get you, as the PIC, in trouble if something happens. Also emphasize the fact that his insurance policy will not cover him in event of an accident. Document that you went over these items with him. If it ever came back to you you'll have documentation that you did your part.

Thanks for the info, but please re-read my post. I said I DID NOT fly in his airplane. He owns a 150 and we flew in another 150 owner the flight school I work at.

 

[flyingnome]

you are still not held liable because you flew in one of your training aircraft. Just be sure at the FBO that you are working at, that this student is not able to take the plane by himself with out proper solo endorsements. As for his own airplane well if he goes out by himself it should not be taken back to you, as long as you explain the regs you should be clear and then some.

 

[Black Hawk]

Thanks for the info, but please re-read my post. I said I DID NOT fly in his airplane. He owns a 150 and we flew in another 150 owner the flight school I work at.

I understand that. However, since you know he flys his own plane it's a good idea to go over the inspection and registration requirements with him. Even if you don't fly his plane you at least told him about the legal requirements. The first thing some of these students say when things go wrong is that their instructor never told them about that. You can prove you did. Cover your @ss.