Captain at what time?

[pilotviolin]

We are trying to deal with our insurance about pilot times. Currently our open pilot requirements for our C560 sic is 2000 hrs pic turbine. How is it that some operaters can hire a 250 hour pilot to fly sic? I know of a couple of instances that this is true. One is in Palomar flying a westwind, another in Utah flying a C560, and they both had very low times and no types. Any suggestions on how to insure such low time pilots? Don't get me wrong, we would send pilots to school before our pilots would start. I consider myself low time too. 2k total time, 1400 jet and 600 pic jet. I was typed too before flying in the jet. At what times should I expect to get insurance approval to fly with a lower time pilot? I am now flying with a high time pilot of course.

 

[English]

Many operators have the ability to insure any (and I mean any) pilot that the Director of Operation or Chief Pilot approves. As long as the DO or CP waves their magic wand, the pilot is insurable. Not all operators have this ability. Get that ability and you're golden. That's how a friend of mine was able to fly a CJ single pilot 135 at 1500 hours total time (he really had more like 1000 TT but the numbers were fudged). All he had to do was fly with the CP until the CP was confident he could handle it. I think it was 25 hours or so.

 

[jergar999]

I started flying a Commander 690B single pilot at 1300TT. I wasn't within 2700 hours of the open pilot minimums, but they liked me so I became a named insured pilot on their insurance certificate after training and 35 hours in the aircraft with someone insurable.

 

[WrknStff]

As usual, it's all about who you know, not what you know. I suppose that applies just as much when dealing with insurance agents.

 

[SabreFlyR]

We are trying to deal with our insurance about pilot times. Currently our open pilot requirements for our C560 sic is 2000 hrs pic turbine. How is it that some operaters can hire a 250 hour pilot to fly sic? I know of a couple of instances that this is true. One is in Palomar flying a westwind, another in Utah flying a C560, and they both had very low times and no types. Any suggestions on how to insure such low time pilots? Don't get me wrong, we would send pilots to school before our pilots would start. I consider myself low time too. 2k total time, 1400 jet and 600 pic jet. I was typed too before flying in the jet. At what times should I expect to get insurance approval to fly with a lower time pilot? I am now flying with a high time pilot of course.

It has a lot to do with the relationship you have with your agent and underwritter, a lesson I learned ago. Also the other key words here are "open pilot requirements", this is different than having the low time pilot named on your insurance. I have the authority from the underwriter to name my co-pilots if needed. I earned this from them thru a long relationship and they know I am not going to throw an inexperienced pilot in the right seat.

 

[CapnVegetto]

2700 hours......CE-501/550 PIC. 1250 Jet, 1500 Multi, 100 PIC jet, 27 years old. But I work for a bottom-of-the-barrel 135 dues paying job. I probably don't have enough time to sit PIC in a good 91 job. Paying my dues now, in another few months, around 3000 hours or so, the resumes go out.

 

[Prof. ATP]

Our experience (part 135) has been that the insurance usually demands three kinds of time (TT, multi or turbine, type) but will negotiate if the pilot is close on at two or sometimes even one. When I moved into a King Air 200 last year I had just a few minutes of turbine time, but my TT and multiengine time were within spittin' distance, so they insured me with sim training and having someone experienced ride around with me for a few hours.

Insurance minimums are a lot like the sticker price on a new car. Negotiate!

 

[surveypilot]

I don't think that I have ever met the open pilot minimums on an airplane when I started flying it. The Open Pilot minimums simply mean that if someone meets those minimum requirements then they are automatically approved to fly the airplane with no increase in ploicy price. Any pilot that does not meet those minimums has to be submitted for review.