Can A CFI do an....

[Magic1872]

Can A CFI do an IPC?

Here is how I read the regs on this:

61.195 Flight Instructor Limitation and Qualifications.

(d) Limitations on endorsements. A flight instructor may not endorse a:

(6) Logbook of a pilot for an instrument proficiency check, unless that instructor has tested that pilot in accordance with the requirements of §61.57(d) of this part

What does everyone think?

 

[JediNein]

CFI without instrument can not carry out the items in the instrument practical test standards. The IFR PTS requires use of the PTS.

It's been tried and doesn't work.

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[Magic1872]

The way i read the FARs is as long as the flight instructor tests the student per 61.57D you can accoplish an IPC

 

[Downwind]

Then show me in the "FAR's" where is says FAR's. It's 14 CFR part XX. FAR is the Federal Acquisition Regulations which is 48 CFR.

http://www.acqnet.gov/far/

 

[VNugget]

Then show me in the "FAR's" where is says FAR's.

All over the place.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Can A CFI do an IPC?

Only if the CFI is a CFII.

After looking at a whole bunch of rules and official opinions, I came up with this (maybe incorrect) paradigm of instrument work and the need for an instrument rating on the CFI certificate:

If an instructor =is= required by an FAR that talks about instrument training or instrument instruction or instrument currency, a CFII is required.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Then show me in the "FAR's" where is says FAR's.

You can start with 14 CFR 21.27 where it appears about a half dozen times, then go look for the other hundred or so. Then you can search for the other (I'd bet thousand or so) times the term is used in other FAA publications.

"The FAR is not the FAR. It's really 14 CFR...." Oooooooh! I think someone realized that the regs are codified in the Code of Federal Regulations about the time of the 1997 Part 61 revisions and it's been a big deal ever since. The most ridiculous version being something I came across that said that the Federal Aviation Regulations were "no longer the "FAR; they are now 14 CFR".

 

[Amish RakeFight]

You need to be a CFII to do an IPC.

 

[Magic1872]

then how can a CFI do instrument training with a private pilot student.

Then can someone explain this to me, and how i'm interperting it wrong

61.195 Flight Instructor Limitation and Qualifications.

(d) Limitations on endorsements. A flight instructor may not endorse a:

(6) Logbook of a pilot for an instrument proficiency check, unless that instructor has tested that pilot in accordance with the requirements of §61.57(d) of this part

It says nothing about instrument flight instructor.

 

[minitour]

14 CFR 61.57 (D) (2) (iv)

"An authorized instructor; or" (emphasis added)

You've got to be an "authorized" instructor...it's written everywhere in Part 61...

It's there to prevent me from giving someone Helo training with my CFI - IA or CE525 Training with my CFI-A...

I'm just not authorized for those types of training...neither is a CFI-A authorized to conduct an IPC.

-mini

PS
As a CFI-A you are not giving a student pilot "instrument training". You're giving him training outlined in 14 CFR 61.109 for a private pilot certificate, not for an instrument rating.

That's how you can get away with that.