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wild bill kelso

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Lets get a petition going to stop this stupid change to our procedures with regard to altitude selection and the monitoring pilot.
This has go be one of the worst ideas since this merger started.
 
Lets get a petition going to stop this stupid change to our procedures with regard to altitude selection and the monitoring pilot.
This has go be one of the worst ideas since this merger started.


What? You have a problem with two hands manipulating the MCP during critical phases of flight? At night? In turbulence? Don't you know that having two people make changes at the same time is so much safer than one doing it and one watching? :rolleyes:
 
The 737 guys finally see a change in procedure as a result of the merger and they are up in arms. Simple procedure change. Nothing compared to 777 and 756 changes on both sides to date. Welcome to the merger boys.....
 
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Out of curiosity, what other airlines do it this way?

I can't remember what I did before CAL.
 
Can't be any more dorky than what Alaska does! That's what happens when a pilot group busts too many altitudes, they come up with this! Every time there is an altitude change, both pilots must do this---><----
 
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Same thing happened in our merger. We went from the pilot flying changing the altitude selector to the Pilot monitoring. So when you are doing a visual or are in a critical "want it done now" phase but the pilot monitoring is on the radio and programming the FMS....its a pain in the but to wait or interrupt them when they are trying to do their job. In 9 years of doing it the other way, I never had a altitude deviation but since the change I have had many close calls over confusion over what and why something was selected. But its par for the course in mergers. There might be a perfectly good reason why it was done one way but the person who wants it changed some how got a higher spot in the new company so they flexed their muscles and now everyone is doing it that way. Same goes for any new fleet manager who has something to prove-they want to make their mark on the system so they change something
 
I'm guessing the "Pilot Monitoring" has to spin the ALT knob, regardless of whether the auto pilot was engaged or not.

Is this correct?

If so, it's an ridiculous procedure as it adds a "variable" or an "exception" into the flow of things.

The Pilot Flying either "owns" the guidance panel or he doesn't, in my opinion.
 
the person who wants it changed some how got a higher spot in the new company so they flexed their muscles and now everyone is doing it that way. Same goes for any new fleet manager who has something to prove-they want to make their mark on the system so they change something

Ding. Ding. Ding.
We have a winner.

People in Ivory Towers make changes for the sake of making changes and it really is irrelevant to them as to whether it makes the cockpit a safer operating environment.

Little men in big jobs.
 

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