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Bronner: UAIR costs lower than SWA

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In this interview Bronner revelled that UAIR's costs will be lower than SWA if the IAM doesn't mess things up. This I gotta see.:)

US Airways funding extended
[font=times new roman,serif]RSA's Bronner optimistic about future of airline after positive talks with union negotiators[/font]



[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]By M.J. Ellington
DAILY Staff Writer
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[email protected] · (334) 262-1104

[font=times new roman,serif]MONTGOMERY — A decision Thursday to extend federal funding protection, along with positive talks with union negotiators, makes David Bronner more optimistic about the future of US Airways.[/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]Bronner, Retirement Systems of Alabama CEO, said the federal Air Transportation Stabilization Board extended current funding agreements at least until June 30, giving the airline more time to stabilize financially. RSA is the largest shareholder in US Airways, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy for the second time in September.[/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]The ATSB, created after the Sept. 11 attacks to help the industry recover from a severe downturn, gave the airline a $900 million federally guaranteed loan when it emerged from its first trip into bankruptcy in March 2003.[/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]According to court documents, US Airways still owes the ATSB about $646 million of the original $900 million loan as of year's end. The airline has been using the cash to fund basic operations while in bankruptcy.[/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]The extension comes after US Airways extracted more than $800 million in annual concessions from its labor unions. Most unions reluctantly agreed to accept pay and benefit cuts, but a judge last week imposed an estimated $269 million in concessions on the International Association of Machinists when that union failed to reach a deal.[/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]Bronner said IAM will vote in the next two weeks whether to strike, but he feels recent talks give hope of avoiding a walkout. [/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]"We have basically taken US Airways from one end of the football field to the other," Bronner said. "We are the only airline in the U.S. that has come to agreement with all its unions except one, the IAM. We feel relatively confident there. I'm relatively excited about how far we have come as compared to everybody else."[/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]Bronner said RSA has talked to the head of the union.[/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]"He knows it is tough, but he knows there is no other option," said Bronner. "The court has already set aside his contract. When the court sets aside a contract, you basically put out the last offer to the membership."[/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]Changes that Bronner said are necessary to keep the airline flying have been hard, but he said they may succeed.[/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]"You have to understand that we're trying to do something that has never been done in the history of airlines, to take a legacy carrier to a low-cost carrier status," Bronner said.[/font]

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Union choice[/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]The union's decision is the key at this point.[/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]"If IAM strikes, then we will have problems," Bronner said. "Assuming that the IAM goes along with us in two weeks, then we'll have lower costs than Southwest."[/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]Bronner said it is hard to predict when the airline may become profitable again, partly because of fluctuating oil prices.[/font]

[font=times new roman,serif]"If oil went down $10 a barrel, we'd be floating in money," he said. "Assuming that it doesn't go down, the whole airline industry will probably show losses for the whole year in '05. It's all relative to the price of oil."[/font] [font=times new roman,serif]Two other airlines that received federal loan guarantees — ATA Airlines and Aloha Airlines — have also subsequently filed for bankruptcy.[/font]
 
Lowecur, you've been suckered.

Managment ploy to blame labor for theirown shortcomings. The pilot group, which everyone blames for a particular airline's failures, have been paid less than SWA for quite some time now. One thing to remember: all USAir pilots are at the pegged out, 12 year, payscale.

It might be true, however, if you compare hourly rates, but that doesn't tell the whole story. Compare the revenue streams.
 
ATA has lower costs than SWA too. Yet the losses have continued.

Is Bonner including debt servicing payments? I doubt it.


I wish oil would go down $10 a barrel. That would help everyone.
 
HalinTexas said:
Lowecur, you've been suckered.

Managment ploy to blame labor for theirown shortcomings. The pilot group, which everyone blames for a particular airline's failures, have been paid less than SWA for quite some time now. One thing to remember: all USAir pilots are at the pegged out, 12 year, payscale.

It might be true, however, if you compare hourly rates, but that doesn't tell the whole story. Compare the revenue streams.

Hal! You nailed it! Its not just pilots though. Everyone at US Airways is taking it in the shorts! This poor airline has been mismanaged for years and I for one am sick and tired of it always being the fault of labor!
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737 Pylt said:
This poor airline has been mismanaged for years and I for one am sick and tired of it always being the fault of labor!

Should have read:

__________________ (insert your airline here) has been mismanaged for years and I for one am sick and tired of it always being the fault of labor.

All lies.... all of it
 
lowecur said:
In this interview Bronner revelled that UAIR's costs will be lower than SWA if the IAM doesn't mess things up. This I gotta see.:)

US Airways funding extended
[font=times new roman,serif]RSA's Bronner optimistic about future of airline after positive talks with union negotiators[/font][font=times new roman,serif].[/font]


They can have lower costs, but they are going to have a hard time generating premium revenue because everyone is affraid they will go out of business.

The funny thing about SWA is that they are a LCC, not really a low fare carrier, yes they have promotions with great fares, but in reality thier RASM is better than most. And they have low costs too...

SWA's real assest is the "impression" in the minds of customers that they always have the lowest fare (even though it's not always true) and because people naturally want to save money, they look only at SWA and end up spending more than if they had shopped around. It's taken years to implant in people's minds and it's ingenius.

People naturally think (even if somewhat unfair or untrue)

SWA - Low Fares, happy employees, good service, successfull

US Airways - High fares, lost bags, pissed off employees, on the verge of closing.

It's all about preception!!! US Airways has way too many negatives to overcome by June. If oil prices stay high ($40+ ) they don't have much of a chance.

Also, US Airways still seems fixated on the Small RJ model which I think is a big mistake. Smaller aircraft = higher Costs per seat mile and in a lots of people, but low fare environment that is going to hurt.
 
They will not have lower costs; Bronner is simply a lier. Latest cost figures for UAIR were in the 11+ cent range compared to around 8 for SW. The IAM contract is not going to shave more than a couple percentage points off these shockingly high costs. Pilots have taken 40% cuts plus given up their retirements and the airline still has costs 50% greater than LCC's.

The business and operational model is non-competitive. They cannot get costs down appreciably further.
 
lowecur said:
In this interview Bronner revelled that UAIR's costs will be lower than SWA if the IAM doesn't mess things up. This I gotta see.:)

Just in time to fight the first regional airline (regional wages) with a 100 seat jet....JetBlue
 
Big Picture

Bronner is telling half the story. SWA would not have been profitable without fuel hedging. End of story. The only reason SWA has stayed in the black is that our management has planned for the bad times and has very little debt, large amounts of cash to fall back on.

U has none of this. With this weak revenue enviroment, all the cost savings he is pointing out is just dragging out a very sad story. As always, the employee's are paying for the sins of managment and are working twice as hard for a fraction of the pay and benefits. I doubt they will be that motivated, but you never know.

Unless fuel prices drop dramatically and revenue get better quickly, all of U's savings is just window dressing.
 
T45Flyer said:
Bronner is telling half the story. SWA would not have been profitable without fuel hedging. End of story. The only reason SWA has stayed in the black is that our management has planned for the bad times and has very little debt, large amounts of cash to fall back on.

U has none of this. With this weak revenue enviroment, all the cost savings he is pointing out is just dragging out a very sad story. As always, the employee's are paying for the sins of managment and are working twice as hard for a fraction of the pay and benefits. I doubt they will be that motivated, but you never know.

Unless fuel prices drop dramatically and revenue get better quickly, all of U's savings is just window dressing.


Covered before but worth repeating....


Lessors and suppliers want USAir to keep going. They don't want the airplanes back even with deferred payments. If the planes were suddenly on the auction block the price of leases would fall. The ability to keep new leases/prices higher probably offsets any losses that will occur if USAir doesn't make it. You can bet GE and Boeing are doing what is required to minimize risk and maximize profit.

Getting back a few planes a year from ATA and Independence Air is not a problem. 300 at once would be a problem.
 
FlyBoeingJets said:
Covered before but worth repeating....


Lessors and suppliers want USAir to keep going. They don't want the airplanes back even with deferred payments.

Only to a certain point!!
 
Bronner will say anything he can to protect his equity position in the company. Keep in mind that if USAirways ultimately liquidates, the debtors will be serviced before the equity holders as assets are sold - meaning that he will be the last to get paid.... Yeah, he'll lie his way to get out of this mess...
 
Money to exit BK

Bronner is creating press in hopes of attracting $$$$$ from investors....to exit BK.......He has nothing to lose...he purchased a one way ticket....
 
US Airways does not have 300 airplanes?
 

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