Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
  • Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
  • Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
  • Share the passion for aviation
  • Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun

Biggest Earnings Drain

Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
  • Invite your friends
  • Share the passion of aviation
  • Friendliest aviation community on the web

daddysquared

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 5, 2003
Posts
86
So, what is the biggest earnings drain on the Industry right now. Is it the lack of business travel due to the poor economy? Is it the lack of everyday Joe "I think I'll go to Florida to visit Mickey Mouse" traveler because of either, again, bad economy, or fear? Crazy Fuel Costs? Heightened costs for security measures due to 9-11? Is it something else? Or just a mish-mash of all of these factors?
 
Poor management at my airline. From the majors right down to the smallest turbo prop. When you pay millions and millions to execs in bonuses and loose millions and millions every quarter, it doesn't take long for the managements to say, we need to get some more concessions from labor so we can go home and cash our million dollar weekly bonus check.
 
a very narrow view

The first class passenger has gone away, his company can no longer afford the high cost of moving the exec, becasue there are no tax advantages to cover that cost when you are not making money. The auto worker no longer gets the $7,000 per year bonus to fly his family to Orlando, he drives. Who is going to manage the airlines, you will not find anyone with the capabilities to run a big business, interface with wall street and the banks who does not have a premier resume in big business. To pay that guy 250K won't make it. The high cost of hte CEO costs everyone in the company about $1 per day for every million he earns, it is peanuts in the big picture. Would you pay $3 per day to guarentte winner running your airline?
 
rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic

Major carriers survive on the buisiness traveler who is purchasing 3 to 7 day advance tickets. Low cost carriers usually dont appeal to this type of traveler due to the milk run type schedule that they offer. While the milk run type schedules are more reliable source of revenue for a carrier, hub and spoke carriers can reap greater revenues by offering the convenience of usually no more than one plane change with no intermediate stops. Problem is the profits move like a sine wave following the economy and about every 7 yrs these carriers are all flying to close to the tree's when they lose there buisiness travelers. The cold hard fact is that every one of the major carriers offering hub and spoke systems will probably have a financial failure in the not so distant future if they dont learn to hybrid hub and spoke with milk run type schedules on less profitable vacation and excursion destinations. I personally think that a good portion of the buisiness travelers will not be coming back to the airlines when the economy improves due to Exec Jet and similar companies. Flying on the airlines has become royal pain in the ass.
 
Revenue-airlines run on cash flow, when it doesn't flow the pond dries up-and pilots/FA's and everyone else is left flopping in the muck trying to survive.
 
"Feel free to move about the country"

A combination of problems... Only one airline is running a National campaign to put butts in their seats, Southwest. I was taught in a class that one of the Golden rules of marketing was the company that stops marketing its product during a revenue slump will lose to those companies that continue to market. What exactly are airlines trying to do to bring back revenue...? two thing, cut labor and vendor costs..

That is good, frustrate the frontline worker who is on the frontline of the revenue stream, they will be sure to give a customer a good experience.. We also lay the frontline worker off at a greater ratio than we do any other workers, so they are scaling back the revenue generating part of the airline.

I love when they say they are renegotiating with vendors... That is about as succesful as those debt consolidation companies. The airlines should have negotited the best price when they signed the contract with the vendor for their service/product.. You mean they don't negotiate a contract with them like the do with us.. They just give them more than they think its worth until tough times, in which they go back to them looking for a better price (which they also did with us).. nope what they do is negotiate a way to drag out their payments, so debt will stack up for better days. That's a great plan.

Overall I feel managenment in our sector is still living in Regulation. It seems only those airlines that got going post regulation actually operate in a fashion that they need more income than they have expenses. The rest still run to the Gov if the economy hick-ups, and not planning for a rainy day. They still have the same stupid fare rules from the days of regulation, like weekend /Saturday stay required... Not at SWA, Jet Blue, Frontier, or AirTran.. In fact a recent study showed it is just as expensive to fly SWA than AA, but the fare rules make it much more inconvenient.. and inconvenience drives away the business customer who needs to walk up and buy a resonably priced ticket.. but with the old school mentality its either Sat night stay required, with return on Tues from 8-10pm or Wed 2--2:30am for a decent priced ticket.. The airlines are driving their own revenue streams to other channels.

People, even recently, used to look at all the airlines before buying a ticket. I was flying next to someone on two seperate occasions (SWA, Frontier) who said basically that all the things they hear about what used to be the major airlines is the doom and gloom, possible bankruptcy, more and more layoffs, needing more concessions, reduction in schedules, going to the gov for "money needed to survive". And from the other company they hear, we are expanding, more flight across the country from more destinations, simple pricing fares start at $99 each way, were are having fun, "Feel free to move about the country." You tell me, who is urging the customer to fly, making them feel comfortable to fly, making them feel like they will get a value priced ticket, not making them scared that the airline will go belly up at any moment, and is fragile and delicate, they may even be skimping on maint since they are strapped for cash (remember we are taking about pax not pilots)? The cataclismic answer(s): you can fill in the blanks________________

I wish I could go back and be an airline analyst again... but this time to someone with some real pull, like the CEO.
 
Last edited:
Easy one

Wife.
 
Actually, I believe it is ex-wives . . . . if you believe the old adage:

"If you can keep your first wife and your first job, it's a pretty good living".
 

Latest resources

Back
Top