BFR Question

[LaTechPilot2003]

Had a question about the Biennial Flight Review...does any practical test taken add the "24 calender months" to your BFR? For example, if you take a flight instructor or a CFI add-on (say the CFII) practical test, does the 24 calendar months start from the date of that test? Or does it start from the date of your last non-CFI practical test? Some CFI's were discussing this the other day at work and was curious because I always thought the 24 calendar months started from the date of ANY practical test...

Thanks in advance!

 

[avbug]

Rather than repeat the thread, visit:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21291

In a nutshell, no. The regulation that you're thinking about is 14 CFR 61.56(d), and specifically states "...passed a pilot proficiency check...". A practical test for a flight instructor certificate is not for a pilot certificate, but a teaching certificate, and does not meet the full requirements for a flight review, on it's own accord.

You may request, and obtain, an endorsement from the inspector or examiner to show that you completed a flight review (no such thing as a "BFR"), but this separate endorsement is required. The practical test does not count as a flighr review without the endorsement.

If you examine the regulation a little closer, you'll note that 61.56(f) allows that renewal of a flight instructor certificate counts for one hour of ground required by 61.56(a). It does not take the place of a flight review.

 

[LaTechPilot2003]

Thanks avbug...

I saw that thread right after I posted. It pretty much answered my question...should have looked harder before I posted.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Avbug is correct.

As a side note, it is kind of stupid that the CFI does not count. It certainly should be added to the list.

Maybe the Feds could creatively interpret the term "operating privelege" to include the CFI check, huh?

 

[wickedpilot]

wow! I did not know that the CFI does not qualify for a flight review.

I am about to take my CFI check ride. When the examiner is signing my logbook, should I just ask him to sign off and endorsement me for the flight review as Avbug mentioned?

 

[Groundskprwilly]

Check out the FAA's FAQ regarding part 61. It has some good info about BFR's

 

[Toy Soldier]

wickedpilot

I would clear that up with the examiner BEFORE the "logbook signing" event! It will be during this conversation that you can "feel him out" to see just how easy or difficult he will make the process.

Then, ask him to include the appropriate "oral and flight" items into the checkride to satisfy the flight review requirements.

 

[bobbysamd]

CFI practical as flight review

t is kind of stupid that the CFI does not count. It certainly should be added to the list.

Yes, it is very stupid and really should be added. I had always understood that passing a CFI practical counted as a flight review. So did plenty of far more learned aviation people than me.

I don't think that I'd try to get an EXAMINER to work with me on signing off my CFI as a flight review. I would just get the CFI who is sending me for the practical do it. He/she knows you better, knows what you know, has seen you fly more, and is more likely to be supportive of you. While the encounter may be friendly, the examinee-examiner encounter, by its very nature, is adversarial. Moreover, the examiner might try to argue with you that your CFI practical will count for your flight review. Don't make things more testy than they otherwise might be by asking for a flight review on top of a practical.

 

[Iceman21]

I was just discussing this with our chief flight instructor.

I wouldn't have a problem asking the examiner to sign-off the BFR, after all you just went over part 61, part 91, other regulations and when you flew you demonstrated your comptency to safely fly the airplane to commercial standards. You have essentially done a BFR.

Ask if Mr/Mrs Examiner says "No" then fine they don't have to sign it off. But it does show some sort of ability to read the regulations and interpret them.

 

[rainman_02]

I went a-reading through the search function and just wanted to check on a few things.

1) If I take the Mil Comp test for my Instrument, Commercial and Multi-Engine certifications, does this wave the BFR requirement per the "new pilot rating" stuff?

2) Can my AF checkrides count to cover the BFR requirement?