I used to have the original MS combat flight sim,good sim.I think the Pacific Theatre one was a little better,and the 3rd version needs a beefy computer,which i dont have(3 year old dell) Ace Combat 5 for the PS2 is coming out in a few weeks with a joystick and without one if you dont want it.If you get the deal with the joystick,its over $100,but it might be worth it from the screenshots and reviews ive read. Still,there is no way a PS2 or XBox combat flight sim will outdo a PC version. The only good thing about the PS2 and XBox are the frame rates.