B-727 Study Material?? (Vidoes, DVDs)

[MJPilot]

Does anyone have Tapes, Videos, or DVD's for sale for the 727-200? I am preparing for my first type rating and can use all the help available out there.

Please contact me at [email protected].

 

[flybrowntails]

check essential!

sorry on the 100

good luck with the type.

 

[LEROY]

W-A-P 6-5 B-I-P-P-P C-P-A

Power, Power, Pumps, Pumps, Panel, Packs, Pressure

Flight, Flight, Fuel, Fuel, Hyd it, Kill it, Press it, Check it

 

[Extra300S]

"A bananna Three-Feed em'-don't bleed em' Cool em' Fuel em' B-Right Pack, Back"

 

[TriStar_drvr]

Well, if you were training as an FO, it would be, "Window heat, pitot heat, give me something good to eat!"

Best of luck on the training.

 

[MJPilot]

I am not sure what is so funny about this, but I was talking about getting a TYPE RATING.

 

[BoilerUP]

HYD B-System Pneumonic (sp?)

"Break In Upstairs Every Afternoon"

Main Brakes
Inner Spoilers
Upper Rudder
Aft Airstairs
Elevator
Ailerons

Sorry I forget the A system, its basically everything else

Landing Gear
Outer Spoilers
Ground Spoilers
Elevator
Ailerons
Lower Rudder
Nosewheel Steering
Leading Edge Devices (LEDs)
Trailing Edge Flaps
...and maybe one or two I forgot from a summer of 172 instructing.

I might could hunt down an extra Ryan B727-100/200 Vol. 1 & 2 manuals, or send you some of the study guide/PPT/handout stuff we use at Purdue. PM if you are interested.

 

[Lear70]

Boiler Up, It's "NEAT GOLLF" for A Systems:

Nosewheel Steering
Elevators
Ailerons
Tailskid (100 Series)
Ground Spoilers
Outboard Flight Spoilers
Landing Gear
Lower Rudder
Flaps - Leading and Trailing Edge



MJ Pilot... Dude, lighten up. All of us are enjoying reminiscing about our 727 training days. Why? Because there are NO fancy visual aids (DVD's, CD's, etc) out there to be had except the really crappy CD that says it's a "systems CD" but just basically has diagrams, nothing that's not in the book.

Why are there no fancy visual aids? Because it's a dinosaur... a fun to fly dinosaur, but a dinosaur nonetheless that is seeing its final days on U.S. soil. There's no money to be made creating fancy visual training aids when no one is around to buy them. I for one will miss it dearly (and HAVE missed it the last three years flying an RJ). It was the last of the REAL pilot airplanes, swept wing, highly maneuverable for as big as it is, and systems-intensive. Plus flying with two other guys / gals up there was a lot of fun!

If you ask really, really nicely, someone might come up off their training materials, q-cards, cool, easy-to-understand electrical diagrams, and pnemonic aids (like Break In UpStairs or NEAT GOLLF) that help you remember everything. By the way, the type rating on the 727 is 80% panel understanding (because that's where most of the important systems are located).

"What do you call a 727 First Officer? Bird strike protection for the Flight Engineer!"

 

[LEROY]

Why are there no fancy visual aids? Because it's a dinosaur... a fun to fly dinosaur, but a dinosaur nonetheless that is seeing its final days on U.S. soil.


Hey, easy there! There's quite a few of us out there still enjoying the "slaveship". Plumbing has been fun so far! I agree that there aren't too many software training aids available, except for company specific stuff.

BTW - I learned, "Brake In UpStairs, ACE" and NoTTTALLEGBrake!"

 

[Thedude]

Just use the material that the training center is gonna give you. If you are looking for more stuff you are starting to dig yourself a hole already. 'Cause your checkride will be based on what they have taught you and no more. If you really want to get a head start, go and see if the training center will gove you the materials early.
BTW, there is a manual out there by Boeing that I am still trying to get my hands on and it seems the only people that get it are the guys with little to no experience....Still trying to figure that one out.

 

[AMRCostUnit]

Why 727 type? Is someone else paying or are you? If you are footing the bill then I would think a 737 type would make more dollars and cents.

Unit

 

[MJPilot]

Thanks for your input, guys.

Anyway, I have found some tape material on

http://www.nolly.com/products/727tsk.html

Has anyone in here ever used any of the tapes offered (727, 737, 747, etc.) from Nolly's products? Are they worth the price?

I am aware that the 727 is on its final days here in the States (have had the final days in Europe already), but those planes are being bought in other parts of the world. Still, there seems to be a lot of cargo carriers using them right here: Custom Air Transport, Amerijet, Miami Air, Kitty Hawk, Champion Air, Transmeredian Airlines, Planet Airways, Boston-Maine Airways, Falcon Air Express, etc. Probably not the top 10 airlines to work for, but hey, it is a start for someone like me.

Since I have a "job offer" from an asian cargo carrier, I guess the $8'500 to get typed by Panam in Miami would be a good investment. Without it, I won't get a working permit nor a license conversion overseas. International jet flying and a relative quick upgrade would make up for it.

Since I am still an instructor, it will be a huge jump into a medium sized jet. Anyway, am I just too desperate for a job in a jet or getting crazy? Your thoughts please...

 

[Falconjet]

Thoughts

Yes, you are crazy.

I wouldn't pay for the type to go fly overseas, but that is just me.

Good luck in the Jurassic Jet.

FJ

 

[English]

Yes, ditto, you are crazy.

 

[AMRCostUnit]

Crazy? Yep, I'd have to agree. Far East huh? Flew C-141's all over the place over there. Here is what you can expect.

1. Bad crew members. How's your mandarin? The Captain-Is-God mentality is alive and well over there. Research the Singapone take-off on the closed runway and the Korean crash into Guam.

2. Old aircraft

3. Bad mx

4. Bad nav aids

5. Bad ATC. How's your mandarin? Tip:ALWAYS fly the MEA to the IAF for the whole approach. They WILL let you fly into the rocks. "Cleared as requested", a standard ATC phrase when they can't understand you, will get you killed.

6. How's the pay? From someone else on this BB (3 and 4 are my adds):

Month One: Can't believe they pay me to do this
Month Two: Can't believe how little they pay me to do this
Month Three: Can't believe I'm still doing this
Month Four: I want my Mommy

7. Are you ready to make the jump from CFI to a complex, trailing edge technology 727 in a foreign land (culture shock) where as the F/O you may be forced to take a unairworthy aircraft or fight with a local Captain on approach to keep him from killing you. And by the way, he'll get you fired even if you were right. They'll tell you anything to get you there, and then what? Where you gonna go? You paid for your own training so they are out nothing.

I'm not trying to discourage you but you need to understand what you are getting yourself into. The glamour of turbojet flying wears out real fast under these kind of conditions. If you have no ties to home (wife or kids) then it'd be great experience provided you live through it.

Anyone here, if I am off-base on anything please post it.

Unit

 

[MJPilot]

Good points, thanks. Even though many of those also apply to many 135 bottom feeder outfits, where life will be difficult and underpaid, and flying in much smaller equipment.


By the way, that job is based in Malaysia, flying within Malaysia, to Bangkok, China, Indonesia, and Hongkong. Also expansion plans for with flights from Hongkong to US-Mainland.

 

[AMRCostUnit]

Well, Malaysia is better than China or Korea. Man is it hot there. Food too. Flat but pretty water and very tropical. Excellent scuba diving. Lots of WWII wrecks in that region. If you need some culture relief Guam, being a territory, is like being in the U.S. Probably a lot of expats and Aussies flying out there too. Bring a spare liver...

Be extremely careful on what you are bring in country; I still have an immigration card from Butterworth that is stamped in red "WARNING - Death to drug trafficers under Malaysian law". I believe they still off half a dozen unsuspecting tourists a year or so. NO drug problems though.

So, no hand-carried packages for "friends" etc...

Keep us posted here on your progress...

Unit

 

[Thedude]

Who is the asian carrier that you have a pending job with. I am a 727 driver and I am looking for a new job.

 

[Stukadriver]

AvSoft makes a training CD-ROM - probably the crappy one Lear70 was talking about.

AMRCostUnit hit the nail on the head as far as flying overseas goes - there is a very eye-opening training video about the Flying Tigers 747 crash in Kuala Lumpur in 1989 - the one where the controller cleared them to "descend two-four-zero-zero feet," and the PNF read back, "Roger, descend to four hundred feet" on an NDB approach....

I'd be very hesitant to spend that kind of money getting a 727 type. I've found it's not worth very much if you're not current and qualified. I even knew the chief pilot at a company that still flies them, and he couldn't hire me because my experience wasn't recent enough to qualify for their short course! A sim check at Pan Am doesn't count for that, either - it has to be from a 121 carrier.

Anyway...good luck, should you choose to accept this mission.

 

[FarginDooshbahg]

AMRCostUnit hit the nail on the head as far as flying overseas goes - there is a very eye-opening training video about the Flying Tigers 747 crash in Kuala Lumpur in 1989 - the one where the controller cleared them to "descend two-four-zero-zero feet," and the PNF read back, "Roger, descend to four hundred feet" on an NDB approach....

Yea, THAT one. Where they accepted an NDB approach without having the "damm plate in front of me". Where EVERYONE knows there are countless NDB approaches throughout the world where the initial approach altitude is 400 FEET. Where they sat dumbfounded and did nothing except continue to fly the aircraft into the ground as the GPWS sounded the "WHOOP, WHOOP, PULL UP" warning no less than 8 times.

Yea, it must have been the language barrier with ATC.