Avro Emergencies in DTW

[T-Gates]

On both Tuesday and Wednesday afternoon I watched a XJ Avro land with an emergency in DTW. They were both able to taxi off the runway. Does any Meaba guy know what happened on both occasions?

Just Curious, glad everyone made it down safe.

--03M

 

[4fanman]

I was guessing engine failures.
--03M

Here's a crazy idea...How about not guessing anything. That's called speculation and is one of the reasons the media can't get anything right about aviation. Did you actually hear them declare an emergency or did you just assume that because CFR met them?
Many times ATC will roll the trucks for a non-emergency, but abnormal problem.

Besides, an engine failure in the AVRO is NOT an emergency. I speak from experience.

Don't take this reply wrong, I'm not trying to bash you but the speculation thing really rubs me wrong. Go back a week or so and review the thread about the ACA (?) flight that declared and returned after take-off. Just state the facts as you know them and ask your question. No more " I'm guessing this or that".

As for what happened in DTW, I haven't heard anything. This sort of stuff happens all of the time in this business.

Fly Safe.
4fm

 

[T-Gates]

Well then, edited without speculation then......

--03M

 

[Cardinal]

Speculation might irritate thee when it's your organization that is in question. But then exactly what are these boards for? Each post is not a legal affidavit. It's simply a bigger crewroom, and the B.S. is boots-wearin' deep. That's the nature of the beast. The international boys over at www.PPRuNe.org. what do they call themselves? The Professional Pilot's Rumour Network - they include this truth in their very title. I suppose we should prohibit specualtion and discussion on the next Frontier JetConnect, NW's plans for Mesaba and BigSky, ACA's UAL contract, the future of the SJ, etc. Any discussion of aircaft incidents shall be verboten prior to the NTSB's Final Report, and at that time no disagreement will be tolerated because "you weren't in the cockpit and thus you don't have all the facts." Honestly...

 

[WrightAvia]

I bet if Mesaba had Lonnie Crabtree back flying RJ 85's, that stuff wouldn't be happening.

 

[phishn@daves]

I Hate pilots because you guy's are so fuc%ink dorky! But I am one only B/C I can fly an airplane!!!!!

Stop trying to anylize everything!!!

Oh, and "F You"

 

[blott]

Besides, an engine failure in the AVRO is NOT an emergency. I speak from experience

you wouldn't declare an emergency for a engine failure? Just wondering why not ?

B

 

[sf3boy]

Our check airmen get REALLY upset when you do declare on a ride. I think I remember hearing...."An engine failure on this airplane is NOT an emergency! Turn to 330 and don't ask the tower for runway heading again." Something like that.

Just imagine how pissed the training department and flight department heads would be if they did declare with only on engine inop. Especially after you have been trained to go to your destination over and over and over.

 

[WrightAvia]

Besides, an engine failure in the AVRO is NOT an emergency. I speak from experience

you wouldn't declare an emergency for a engine failure? Just wondering why not ?

Why don't you tell him about the exemption in the Mesaba FOM that allows the 5 engine, AVRO RJ 85 to overfly airports and land at the destination airport with one failed.

 

[flap operator]

I know one of the instances involved a "green high temp" light on one of the hydraulice systems. Going through the QRH it leads you to shut down the green system, therefore eliminating a few things, like gear extention, nose wheel steering and the airbrake. Gear is deployed via the emrgency selection and a tow off the rwy is required (unless htey turn the PTU on) because of no nosewheel steering. The flaps also operate at half the normal speed. This isn't necessarily an emergency either, like losing an engine. But precautions are obviously taken. Just to clarify - if we're on fire, IT IS an emergency. But losing one is not as she'll fly just fine all the way to the destination. Even go arounds aren't a big deal. She'll fly on 2 also...


FO

 

[skyvike]

It's not only in the FOM, it's in the Part 121 regs, that (words to the effect of) in case of an engine failure in a three or four engine turbojet aircraft, the PIC may continue to the destination airport if, in his or her judgement, the flight can be complete just as safely as returning to the departure airport (or nearest airport in point of time, etc.).

It's never happened to me but I'm told the passengers don't even notice when one engine craps out....

Obviously, a fire or important pieces falling off the airplane is an emergency but whether we go back or continue a flight after an engine failure largely depends on which end of the route has the maintenance base. <grin>