ATP W/Fractional

[IADBLRJ41]

Q?? I realize the min requirements for many fractionals include the ATP. Is there any way around this requirement to get an interview? I have looked at Netjets, Flex, Citation Shares ETC and they all require it!

I have been in the regionals for about 3 years and have about 2000 turbine have the ATP written done, just have a problem of having to go from a CRJ to a Seminole just to show that I can shoot an ILS to standards.

I am thinking of spending the 2K to jump through the loophole to obtain the certificate to be more marketable, but was just curious to see if any company would look at your experience and wave that requirement. Also being a regional FO I am broke and the Idea of more of my own money towards this career makes me ill...

Thanks for the advice..

IADBLR

 

[dalegribble]

Honestly and not to sound negative......but I think they would hold it against you. Spend the $$$$$, I know it is hard to come by but not taking the checkride with your experience might seem to an interviewer or screener that you are not motivated or capable. That aside, I would assume that since the fracs are the only ones hiring offering more than minimum wage that there is stiff competition.

PS
How is it you have 2000 turbine in 3 years but not an ATP, just curious but how much time did you have when you started at BLR

 

[IADBLRJ41]

Dale,

I agree.. and thank you for your insight!!

PS. I was with BLR for two years and then went to AWAC.. So the chance to upgrade has not been there yet!

 

[guido411]

When I went thru intial at FLOPs someone in my class did not have an ATP but had the written done. The type ride was also an ATP ride for him. Didn't seem to be a problem.

BTW, $2k for an ATP?!! Should be able to go rent that Seminole for an hour then go pass the checkride. Just make sure you remember how to air start a piston.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I asked about the ATP requirement at NetJets during my interview. It's a requirement based upon their insurance. So there's no way around it, so to speak - you have to have the ATP to get the interview.

But I agree with guido411, you should be able to bang out the ATP pretty quickly and cheaply in a Seminole/Seneca/Duchess. Once you have the written passed, it should only take a few hours in a plane to prep and pass the practical test.

Best of luck to you.

 

[Gator1999]

Q?? I realize the min requirements for many fractionals include the ATP. Is there any way around this requirement to get an interview? I have looked at Netjets, Flex, Citation Shares ETC and they all require it!

I have been in the regionals for about 3 years and have about 2000 turbine have the ATP written done, just have a problem of having to go from a CRJ to a Seminole just to show that I can shoot an ILS to standards.

I am thinking of spending the 2K to jump through the loophole to obtain the certificate to be more marketable, but was just curious to see if any company would look at your experience and wave that requirement. Also being a regional FO I am broke and the Idea of more of my own money towards this career makes me ill...

Thanks for the advice..

IADBLR

If you don't think you will be upgrading in the near future (or having your current employer paying for your ATP, whatever the case may be) you need to be proactive and go out and get it done, spend the money, do whatever needs to be done so that you can be more attractive to employers than the next guy/gal. Getting your ATP is the least you could do. Go rent a seminole and take your check ride or go to a company like ALL ATPs. As I understand it, ALL ATPS has been extremely busy with their ATP program because a lot of regional FO's now realize that they need it to be competitive. It's kinda pricey but if you want an ATP in a weekend, I would suggest looking them up.

 

[Wang Chung]

I can't speak for the fractionals, but there was a LOT more interest from potential employers when I sent out updated resumes with my 'new' ATP last year. Everybody (corporate and charter operators, at least) loves to see that you've done the glorified instrument ride. I was short on cash and time, but I decided to suck it up and get the frickin' rating over with.

In fact, I had been sending resumes to a certain company off and on for well over a year as a commercial pilot. No luck, no positions open. When I sent an updated resume with the ATP on it, I got a callback from this company within a few days, and I interviewed soon after.

Lesson learned: Git-R-Done.

 

[Wang Chung]

Oh, Yeah...I did the rating at ALL ATPS. You can blast thru it in 2 days, just call ahead and get the study guide/cheatsheet beforehand. Cost was about $1500 with examiner fee, if I remember right.

 

[minimums]

I did my ATP/type ride in the Hawker at Flight Options. They only required the written exam.

 

[NoJoy]

I am also considering getting my ATP through All ATPs. There is one small catch. Your ATP written does not expire while you are a current airline pilot, which is a good thing. However, if you want to get your ATP rating outside of your company, All ATPs does not interpet the FARs this way, and will require you to retake your ATP written if it has been more than two years. Not a deal breaker, but it will cost you another $300.00.

 

[Gator1999]

but it will cost you another $300.00.

Ouch...

 

[IADBLRJ41]

Thanks guys for the advice!!!

 

[guido411]

Stop This Pft!!!

Not a deal breaker, but it will cost you another $300.00.

$300 for a written test?!!
$2,000 for an ATP checkride?!!

You people are payin' to fargin' much for your training!! The big idea is to have others pay for your time while you GET paid. Considering paying $300 for a writen test that can be hacked out at the local FBO for $80 is ASININE!! And going to this ATP school for two grand. . .c'mon! Guys, if you have any skill whatsoever you can pass this ride. You rent a twin from the local FBO (may have to buy the CFI's seat for insurance) have him play safety pilot while you shut one down on the ILS and THAT'S IT!! Now you rent the plane one more time, meet the local examiner at the FSDO, don't pay for the DE that you can "buy" your ride from, and fly your 1.5 and fly off with a ticket.

The way I see it. . .1.5 practice, 1.5 checkride, 1.0 deadheading plane to FSDO and back at approximately $200 per hour = $800 total.

You can self-endorse for the ATP, this AllATP thing is a wolf in wolf's clothing. You don't need them to teach you what you should ALREADY KNOW if you're riding in a jet, left OR right seat!

As for the NetJets requiring an ATP for insurance, I doubt that. We frax train so much that insurance should be no problem at all. BUT, the owners are contractually garunteed a "Captain Qualified" pilot in both seats. Hence the need for an ATP.

I haven't looked at the req's for the frax in a while, are they saying they require the ATP now? I always remember just the written being required since your type ride will be an ATP ride. If they require an ATP now instead of just the written it's for one reason: weed people (RJ SIC's) out. If this is the case and it DOES say ATP and not just written, go get it. But don't spend $2,500 to do it. . .remember your only going to be making about $25,000 your first few years.

 

[Guitar Guy]

As for the NetJets requiring an ATP for insurance, I doubt that. We frax train so much that insurance should be no problem at all. BUT, the owners are contractually garunteed a "Captain Qualified" pilot in both seats. Hence the need for an ATP.

I haven't looked at the req's for the frax in a while, are they saying they require the ATP now? I always remember just the written being required since your type ride will be an ATP ride. If they require an ATP now instead of just the written it's for one reason: weed people (RJ SIC's) out. If this is the case and it DOES say ATP and not just written, go get it. But don't spend $2,500 to do it. . .remember your only going to be making about $25,000 your first few years.

Guido - go look at the NetJets website. It clearly states that the ATP is required. In fact, here's the info directly from the NetJets website:


To qualify as a NetJets Aviation (Citation, Hawker, Falcon, Gulfstream 200, Boeing aircraft) pilot candidate you must have the following prerequisites:

• Airline Transport Pilot Certificate
• Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
• 2500 hours total pilot time
• 500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
• 250 hours instrument time

It doesn't say "...or ATP written". And like I said, I actually asked the question myself and got the answer during my interview. The ATP certificate is indeed required at NetJets prior to the interivew.