ATP W/Fractional

[IADBLRJ41]

Q?? I realize the min requirements for many fractionals include the ATP. Is there any way around this requirement to get an interview? I have looked at Netjets, Flex, Citation Shares ETC and they all require it!

I have been in the regionals for about 3 years and have about 2000 turbine have the ATP written done, just have a problem of having to go from a CRJ to a Seminole just to show that I can shoot an ILS to standards.

I am thinking of spending the 2K to jump through the loophole to obtain the certificate to be more marketable, but was just curious to see if any company would look at your experience and wave that requirement. Also being a regional FO I am broke and the Idea of more of my own money towards this career makes me ill...

Thanks for the advice..

IADBLR

 

[dalegribble]

Honestly and not to sound negative......but I think they would hold it against you. Spend the $$$$$, I know it is hard to come by but not taking the checkride with your experience might seem to an interviewer or screener that you are not motivated or capable. That aside, I would assume that since the fracs are the only ones hiring offering more than minimum wage that there is stiff competition.

PS
How is it you have 2000 turbine in 3 years but not an ATP, just curious but how much time did you have when you started at BLR

 

[IADBLRJ41]

Dale,

I agree.. and thank you for your insight!!

PS. I was with BLR for two years and then went to AWAC.. So the chance to upgrade has not been there yet!

 

[guido411]

When I went thru intial at FLOPs someone in my class did not have an ATP but had the written done. The type ride was also an ATP ride for him. Didn't seem to be a problem.

BTW, $2k for an ATP?!! Should be able to go rent that Seminole for an hour then go pass the checkride. Just make sure you remember how to air start a piston.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I asked about the ATP requirement at NetJets during my interview. It's a requirement based upon their insurance. So there's no way around it, so to speak - you have to have the ATP to get the interview.

But I agree with guido411, you should be able to bang out the ATP pretty quickly and cheaply in a Seminole/Seneca/Duchess. Once you have the written passed, it should only take a few hours in a plane to prep and pass the practical test.

Best of luck to you.

 

[Gator1999]

Q?? I realize the min requirements for many fractionals include the ATP. Is there any way around this requirement to get an interview? I have looked at Netjets, Flex, Citation Shares ETC and they all require it!

I have been in the regionals for about 3 years and have about 2000 turbine have the ATP written done, just have a problem of having to go from a CRJ to a Seminole just to show that I can shoot an ILS to standards.

I am thinking of spending the 2K to jump through the loophole to obtain the certificate to be more marketable, but was just curious to see if any company would look at your experience and wave that requirement. Also being a regional FO I am broke and the Idea of more of my own money towards this career makes me ill...

Thanks for the advice..

IADBLR

If you don't think you will be upgrading in the near future (or having your current employer paying for your ATP, whatever the case may be) you need to be proactive and go out and get it done, spend the money, do whatever needs to be done so that you can be more attractive to employers than the next guy/gal. Getting your ATP is the least you could do. Go rent a seminole and take your check ride or go to a company like ALL ATPs. As I understand it, ALL ATPS has been extremely busy with their ATP program because a lot of regional FO's now realize that they need it to be competitive. It's kinda pricey but if you want an ATP in a weekend, I would suggest looking them up.

 

[Wang Chung]

I can't speak for the fractionals, but there was a LOT more interest from potential employers when I sent out updated resumes with my 'new' ATP last year. Everybody (corporate and charter operators, at least) loves to see that you've done the glorified instrument ride. I was short on cash and time, but I decided to suck it up and get the frickin' rating over with.

In fact, I had been sending resumes to a certain company off and on for well over a year as a commercial pilot. No luck, no positions open. When I sent an updated resume with the ATP on it, I got a callback from this company within a few days, and I interviewed soon after.

Lesson learned: Git-R-Done.

 

[Wang Chung]

Oh, Yeah...I did the rating at ALL ATPS. You can blast thru it in 2 days, just call ahead and get the study guide/cheatsheet beforehand. Cost was about $1500 with examiner fee, if I remember right.

 

[minimums]

I did my ATP/type ride in the Hawker at Flight Options. They only required the written exam.

 

[NoJoy]

I am also considering getting my ATP through All ATPs. There is one small catch. Your ATP written does not expire while you are a current airline pilot, which is a good thing. However, if you want to get your ATP rating outside of your company, All ATPs does not interpet the FARs this way, and will require you to retake your ATP written if it has been more than two years. Not a deal breaker, but it will cost you another $300.00.