ATP Question

[DoubleDayGo]

Has anybody used ATPs 2-day course? I assume it's adequate for a 2K hour fighter guy, but just wanted to get some feedback. I don't want to spend the extra time and $$$ for the 4-day if I can pass the exam with the shorter one. Also, has anybody had any experience with the instructors/examiners with ATP at Raleigh-Durham?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Check your PM

 

[DoubleDayGo]

SM,

Thanks for the info.

 

[RideTheWind]

Why not a 737 type, you get the ATP with it and all you have is a one hour oral and it's all on 73 systems, I'm sure the 737 sim will be much easier for a jet pilot to fly than a Seminole.
Course is 12 days and will only be $2,400. after the GI Bill reimburses 60%.

 

[DoubleDayGo]

The issue is - I need to get the ATP ASAP, so I can start sending apps and resumes, but I don't have 2 weeks to spare for the type right now. I'll most likely add that on in a couple of months, when I have the time. As far as the GI Bill is concerned, I'm pretty sure I don't qualify, since I was commissioned via ROTC scholarship. Anybody know anything about active duty officers using the GI Bill to get a type rating?


BTW, were you referring to HPA for the 737 type?

 

[RideTheWind]

Anybody know anything about active duty officers using the GI Bill to get a type rating?

A better place to ask that would be the Major board.

Higher Power would be $2,900. after the GI Bill, I was referring to the add at the top of this page.

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[MovingTarget]

The 2-day course works just fine. It's fast and you WILL pass I've used ALL ATPS for my Mil Comp ticket, ATP and 727 FE written.

A side note on getting the 737 type. If you don't get on with a major and end up sniffing around frieght ramp or the corporate/fractional/135 arena, it may work against you. My last 135 outfit wouldn't hire a young ex-military guy with a 737 type on his resume. They'd rather spend thier time/money on someone who would stay a little longer than the two year training commitment. If you get it, you may want to leave it off your resume unless you're sending it to a 737 operator.

Good hunting.

 

[Sundevil]

I am on active duty and was commissioned via an ROTC scholarship as well. I know that I am ineligible for the GI Bill, so you are most likely in the same boat. It sounds like you are in a rush to get the ATP done, but if you do plan to do the 737 type eventually you would be wasting a couple grand doing the ATP in the Semenhole. You can get the ATP for no additional cost while doing the 737 type, so unless you must get the ATP now you'd probably be better off to kill two birds with one stone and save the jack. My other Mil friends who have done the All ATP's think have had no problems. Three have gone and passed within the last two months. Good Luck.

 

[milflyboy]

I am one of the guys that wasted, in my case $1500, on the ATP and I am now going to do the type. I am just curious what would happen in the unlikely event that one failed the Type, Would there be a difference between the guy who is taking his ATP with the type and the one who took it before?

 

[RogerMOSA]

If you don't get on with a major and end up sniffing around frieght ramp or the corporate/fractional/135 arena, it may work against you. My last 135 outfit wouldn't hire a young ex-military guy with a 737 type on his resume. They'd rather spend thier time/money on someone who would stay a little longer than the two year training commitment. If you get it, you may want to leave it off your resume unless you're sending it to a 737 operator.

Not to digress away from the thread topic, but.... I'm sure if somebody hires you who isn't a 737 operator, they would probably notice 'B737' on your license. You would probably get a question or two about why it wasn't on your resume. You probably wouldn't be gaining any points in the honesty department.

RM

 

[MovingTarget]

A valid point sir. They will notice the first day of indoc while they are making copies of his ticket--after he is hired. It's just getting to the interview that's the tough part. I'd rather our man make it to the interview with an explanation ready than not be invited at all. But your point is valid and should be carefully considered.

 

[milflyboy]

You would probably get a question or two about why it wasn't on your resume. You probably wouldn't be gaining any points in the honesty department.

RM

Why? Why would you list something that is not a requirement for that specific company in the first place?

 

[CatfishVT9]

The All ATPs course has a very high success rate. The guys in Birmingham were super. It would help alot to have studied the gouge questions prior to the cram session. I went in cold and it was a little more work than I would have liked on the written test. The flying should be no problem.

Make sure you call ahead in plenty of time to make a reservation.

 

[jetpilot243]

I did the 2-day course and it was a piece of cake. However, I studied my arse off using the Gleim book the week prior. Now I'm thinking about going to HPA and getting my 737 Type so that I can rush SWA. It really depends on who you want to fly for in the long run... SWA doesn't require an FE written but I got it just in case UPS or FedEx start beating down my door (I wish). I recommend getting all the quals you can to get the interview and tailor your resume to the particular airline.

 

[ChichiAV8B]

I was on the same situation some time ago. I decided to do the 737 type rating. Not only did I get my ATP, but I also got a good CRM/airline training (what to expect) out of it. I did it in Miami at Pam Am Flight Academy. My out of pocket expense was about $2800. The VA picked up 60% of it. Although I did not end up flying a 737 (Im flying for Customs), it was still good training. SWA actually called me for an interview about 1 month ago. Good luck with whatever you do.

 

[RideTheWind]

Yeah, Pan Am pays for your hotel during the two week course, that saves you quite a bit.

 

[DoubleDayGo]

Thanks to everyone who has responded to this thread so far. All the gouge is certainly appreciated. Did the written today with the Sheppardair software prep. I highly recommend it! Saves you about $140 by doing it that way, vice the day long prep from ATP.

 

[SkyPigPilot]

Just a quick note about the GI Bill for the ROTC guys: Although you may not have the standard Ch. 30 GI Bill eligibility, once you are off Active Duty, you qualify for the Reserve GI Bill which will also pays 60 percent with a five year commitment to the Reserves. A good deal if you plan on hanging around as a part-timer.

 

[Nalo Boy]

The 2 day course is no big deal.

 

[mike_fly_navy]

Just a quick note about the GI Bill for the ROTC guys: Although you may not have the standard Ch. 30 GI Bill eligibility, once you are off Active Duty, you qualify for the Reserve GI Bill which will also pays 60 percent with a five year commitment to the Reserves. A good deal if you plan on hanging around as a part-timer.

Thanks for the gouge! Do you have a link for the specifics of the deal (especially the 5-year commitment part)?