Astar canceled flights(abx to the rescue)

[LARRY H. JUNIOR]

dan:
i am calling b.s. on you. you are a tool. you screwed your fellow pilots.
get a life. rotor and wing is right. you are wrong jim m. i remember the whole thing.

 

[flyinboxes]

Ok where did they go then?

Dell is going back to UPS, Wal Mart I don't know but trust me, it is gone. I will ask as the last trip is in a few days. Fayettenam was nice while it lasted. It really doesn't matter since it's all "gone".

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

dan:
i am calling b.s. on you. you are a tool. you screwed your fellow pilots.
get a life. rotor and wing is right. you are wrong jim m. i remember the whole thing.

Hey LARRY...

You see that little grey button on he left side of your keyboard, the one that says "shift?" It makes lower-case letters into capitals. Press it briefly whenever you type the first letter of a sentence, or whenever you're using "I" as a first-person, singular personal pronoun.

(That means, "Whenever you're talking about yourself, LARRY.")

Doing just that one little thing will make your resume much more credible and your cover letters more coherent.

It will also reinforce in the minds of prospective employers that not all Astar pilots are blathering idiots.

No charge for this one, LARRY. I'm always glad to help out a fellow pilot.

 

[LARRY H. JUNIOR]

OK Jim I'll play your game.

You no showed 4 times because you don't want to be here. Then you have the balls to ask Alpa to get your job back, at MY expense. You are a thief.........

YOU SCREWED YOUR FELLOW PILOTS AND SCREWED THE COMPANY

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

What actually happened was our min hour guarantee got reduced to 64 hours in exchange for getting your job back Jim. The union had a grevience on the SBS system not working properly as per the contract and we wanted to keep our higher min guarantee until the company fixed it. Our MEC chairman at the time, in a last minute deal agreed to drop the grevience in exchange to rehire you

That has got to be THE most assinine thing I've ever read on FI.

If what you are saying were true-that the union gave up hundreds of credit-hours spread over 500 members to save ONE job-it would have been grounds for de-certifying the union. Even if ALPA wre not de-certified, it would almost certainly have led to a recall of your MEC officers and a lawsuit to hold in abeyance the LOA that created the change.

Whatever your personal feelings about the individuals involved, neither ALPA, KF (contract administrator) or DB (MEC Chairman) were that stupid.

(I think there were a couple of other items also)

Yea, a couple of minor, insignificant little things, like implementation of a flight pay loss bank, changes to bid line guarantee, and installation of an entirely new crew management system. It's all spelled out in "Looking Back and Moving Forward" issue #4, which I have before me.

I won't quote the entire document, as it is 8 pages long and of no interest to anybody now. But there is one paragraph that pretty well sums up what was going on, and what brought about the reduction to 64 hours. In the words of DB, the MEC chairman;

"Regardless, the heat was on and the Company wanted relief from the 78-hour guarantees, hence, the decision to go live with Mercury [Crew Management System], call it operational, and reduce the guarantee to 64-hours. This was going to happen whether we liked it or not. It simply came down to appealling to the company that, while we understood their desire to reduce the guarantee, they were considerably less than honorable in their approach. At this point, time was also a huge factor. The whole situation required that a decision be made within a three-day period. In short, we did have a window of opportunity during which time we could salvage something in return for the lowered guarantee, or we could choose to take a "wait and see what happens" attitude and end up with nothing but a questionable grievance [regarding bid line guarantee]. So the MEC made the decision to go ahead with LOA #13"

There it is. The company wanted 64 hours and were willing to implement a known-faulty CMS to get it. The union knew they wouldn't win the arbitration so they didn't fight it and went for other things instead. Settling open grievances may have been one of those things (there are usually quite a few open at any given time) but they played no part in the MEC's decision to accept the 64 hour guarantee.

I'd be happy to forward a copy of this to you, but I don't think you'd read it. You're like my neighbor the religous fanatic - you've held to a particular version of a story for so long that you now fear that to question or change it in any way would make you seem an idiot. So you don't, and thus, remain one.

 

[LARRY H. JUNIOR]

ok dan, last post:

anyone who no shows 4 plus times for trips OBVIOUSLY does not want to be here. plain and simple. you never wanted to work. you screwed the company many times. why they kept taking you back is beyond me. all i know is when someone no shows at 330am for a trip, it puts crew scheduling in a bine.

there will be no more posts

chime in rotor and wing

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

OK Jim I'll play your game.

You no showed 4 times because you don't want to be here. Then you have the balls to ask Alpa to get your job back, at MY expense. You are a thief.........

YOU SCREWED YOUR FELLOW PILOTS AND SCREWED THE COMPANY

I forgot, "ALPA" should be all caps, like on the letters they send you.

Everything ALPA does is "at your expense" LARRY. Remember those guys who stuck the "For Sale" sign in the window of their plane? Astar wanted to fire them, but ALPA intervened, "at your expense." How about the pod strikes, tail strikes, GNE's, runway incursions, high-speed aborts, abuse of sick call and fatigue policy, training failures, missed trips due to missed J/S...ALL have been helped by ALPA, "at your expense." Are THEY "thieves" as well?

And that's just the stuff that's happened ON-duty. How much of my dues have gone to help guys who made bad decisions OFF-duty? When ALPA Aeromed helps a guy regain his physical after a cycle accident, is that person "stealing" from those of us who don't ride?

Maybe a person of your impeccable character and unquestioned skill doesn't need a union. If so, have you thought about applying to Key Lime Air? They're looking for guys with Metro experience, HS diploma "preferred"

With all your 727 time, you'd be "The Big Fish" there, LARRY...

 

[fob727]

Dan....I think that "cycle accident" you refer to is about me. I don't ever remember getting ALPA involved. Get your facts straight.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

Dan....I think that "cycle accident" you refer to is about me. I don't ever remember getting ALPA involved. Get your facts straight.

If ALPA Aeromed wasn't involved, it wasn't about you. Since you apparently didn't need any special assistance in getting your medical back, I'll assume you've mended, which is a good thing.

This is "Flightinfo.com" "Facts" have no place here, and only open the door to personal attacks.

 

[Jetglow]

Hey Dan...I think you wistle out your buttocks.

You are just a TURD