Ase

[DiverDriver]

Did UAL ever figure a jet replacement for the 146 into ASE? Heard there were issues taking the 700s in there. Did that finally get signed off?

 

[Crizz]

I believe SKYW takes their -700s in there.

 

[DiverDriver]

I believe SKYW takes their -700s in there.

Currently? With how many people? What weight do they have to be at to make the circle?

 

[Crizz]

This is all I know...

 

[DiverDriver]

This is all I know...

Could someone from Skywest who actually flys to ASE fill me in? How's it going?

 

[homerjdispatch]

Yes SkyWest flies to ASE from DEN and SLC. Also LAX and possible route from ORD.

 

[BoilerUP]

How many passengers can the 700 carry from DEN? Also, how many pax could it hold from ORD & LAX?

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Their pilots have to go through a 4 day ground school JUST for flying into ASE. I'm assuming it's only for captains. Pretty risky in the CRJ700

 

[viper548]

I have a friend that does the ASE flying on the CRJ-700, he said they have no problem taking everyone. I don't know if that's all the time or only in good weather.

 

[DiverDriver]

Their pilots have to go through a 4 day ground school JUST for flying into ASE. I'm assuming it's only for captains. Pretty risky in the CRJ700

I'm sure it's all about managing risk like it was managing risk with the 146. I'm just curious how many seats they can fill while going DEN-ASE and still meet the performance requirements.

 

[amcnd]

Usually full. But no contaminated runway!! We do SLC,DEN,ORD,SFO,LAX to ASE. But we can only go to SLC and DEN out of ASE. To much fuel (over wieght) to do ASE-LAX,ORD,SFO

 

[ReportCanoa]

Sounds like a good plan. Sorry folks, it snowed at the ski resort, we can't go.

 

[DiverDriver]

Usually full. But no contaminated runway!! We do SLC,DEN,ORD,SFO,LAX to ASE. But we can only go to SLC and DEN out of ASE. To much fuel (over wieght) to do ASE-LAX,ORD,SFO

What is the limit if you have a contaminated runway?

 

[txpilot1974]

Their pilots have to go through a 4 day ground school JUST for flying into ASE. I'm assuming it's only for captains. Pretty risky in the CRJ700

I am currently an ASE qualified F/O at SKW, however I have not been in there since August. I had the option to get out of the ASE bid package and took it. Anyway, the training consists of 2 sim sessions (8 hours total), two trips as an observer (4 legs total), and 2 more trips (4 more legs) for line checks. When I was flying into ASE the main problems concerning performance were tailwinds. As far as getting into ASE the 10 knot tailwind limitation was getting us sometimes. If the winds were forcast to exceed the 10K, we were not even dispatched. As far as departures, our performance has us taking about a 1300 lb. hit for EVERY knot of tailwind. You can see how that could add up very fast. However, we almost always got out with all booked PAX. We were usually only booked to 50 PAX or so. That left us some room to play with.

 

[DiverDriver]

I am currently an ASE qualified F/O at SKW, however I have not been in there since August. I had the option to get out of the ASE bid package and took it. Anyway, the training consists of 2 sim sessions (8 hours total), two trips as an observer (4 legs total), and 2 more trips (4 more legs) for line checks. When I was flying into ASE the main problems concerning performance were tailwinds. As far as getting into ASE the 10 knot tailwind limitation was getting us sometimes. If the winds were forcast to exceed the 10K, we were not even dispatched. As far as departures, our performance has us taking about a 1300 lb. hit for EVERY knot of tailwind. You can see how that could add up very fast. However, we almost always got out with all booked PAX. We were usually only booked to 50 PAX or so. That left us some room to play with.

So you think that UAL is limiting bookings to make sure they don't bump? Or do you think it's just off season? Did I read your tone in your post correct in that being in ASE ain't something you liked in the 700?

 

[txpilot1974]

So you think that UAL is limiting bookings to make sure they don't bump? Or do you think it's just off season? Did I read your tone in your post correct in that being in ASE ain't something you liked in the 700?

Thats a good question. I'm not sure if UAL was limiting those or if it was just the off season. We also go in there for Delta out of SLC. We didnt have much trouble bumping PAX on the SLC flights either. I'll ask around about that. It will be interesting to see if they have to bump PAX this ski season.

The 700 works fine flying in and out of ASE. I just did not like the bid package. They created a seperate bid package for ASE due to the limited number of crewmembers trained for ASE. The ASE bid package out of SLC was fairly senior and I ended up on back on reserve for 2 months. The lines were really nice but I was too junior to hold one in that bid package.

 

[SSDD]

Skywest is holding its own.

ASE is a tough place. The 700 is not the 146, and Skywest doesn't have the extensive history that Air Wisconsin did in ASE. But UA still has the contracts in place left over from the Whisky days. When the time comes, the busses and the baggage trucks are standing by.

Aspen is probably the toughest commercial airport in the country.

So let's not rewrite history(I think that's where DiverDriver is going). Everyone who's served Aspen has had their share of diversions and bumped bags.

BTW, at least out of SLC, the ASE overnights are as senior as it gets.

Also Captains and F/O's get the same specialized Aspen training.

 

[DiverDriver]

Skywest is holding its own.

ASE is a tough place. The 700 is not the 146, and Skywest doesn't have the extensive history that Air Wisconsin did in ASE. But UA still has the contracts in place left over from the Whisky days. When the time comes, the busses and the baggage trucks are standing by.

Aspen is probably the toughest commercial airport in the country.

So let's not rewrite history(I think that's where DiverDriver is going). Everyone who's served Aspen has had their share of diversions and bumped bags.

BTW, at least out of SLC, the ASE overnights are as senior as it gets.

Also Captains and F/O's get the same specialized Aspen training.

You may think that's where I'm going but it's not. I just wanted to see if A) they actually got another jet signed off to fly in to ASE. B) UAL is screwing their pax by overbooking that new jet. C) the Skywest crews felt their training was adequate and that the 700 was truly able to handle the issues with ASE flying.

What history was I trying to rewrite?

 

[ReportCanoa]

Skywest is holding its own.

BTW, at least out of SLC, the ASE overnights are as senior as it gets.

So they can spend their 50-seat pay and hang with the "in" crowd.

 

[txpilot1974]

So they can spend their 50-seat pay and hang with the "in" crowd.

Dude, no one cares. Go crawl in a hole.