ASA Team Engagement Survey

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It is hoped that our pilots participate in this program and let management have our input on:

(1) Corporate Safety & the refusal of management to adopt ASAP
(2) Scheduling
(3) Our Contract negotiations

 

[WWEfan]

I have already taken the survey and you can bet your arse I let them know how I feel. I doubt if it will make a difference though.

 

[Palerider957]

How many years have we been filling out surveys? You spend a lot of time filling in little black dots, then months later we get a memo stating the results "have been made available to supervisors."

What a waste of time. The only "survey" they understand is grounded planes, wasted fuel, and outright resistance through strict enforcement of the contract and FAR's.

Bullets, not ballots.

 

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Palerider:

I certainly understand how you feel. However, I think that the facts are so manipulated by the time senior management sees the results that all Skip hears is "bad pilots."

The narrative portion of the survey will be read. If we are as explicit as possible, it will be difficult for managers to spin the information before it gets to LaBreque and Barnette. If they are doing a re-org over in the palace now might be a good time to offer some constructive suggestions.

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[Palerider957]

Fins:

I will fill out the survey and submit it, I always do. I still remember being the junior FO on the E-120, and being incredibly abused by scheduling, with unlawful trips, and outright lies. I know, nothing new. I have never forgiven the company for this treatment, and I never will. I have a hard time imagining fundamental, positive change at ASA.

To be honest, a part of me would love to see DAL/ASA crumble into the sea.

Having said all of this, I will try to be constructive and not overally visceral in my comments.

 

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Fins:

To be honest, a part of me would love to see DAL/ASA crumble into the sea.

I know.... Believe me, I know.

 

[outtahere]

Easy does it there guys. As bad as you think it is here, and I agree it is not perfect by any means, it can always be worse. The airline I came from had no problem not only abusing you, but hey they didn't mind trying to kill you either. We have the power to change our fate as UNION employees. If your to the point that you wouldn't mind seeing it fail, then having to use self help to get a fair contract should be easy for you. Now that Comair has officially shot themselves in the foot we are going to have to work harder than ever for a fair contract. I have flown with so many guys that would be happy with just a 10% raise, that scares me. Seeing how Comair has taken concessions, Delta can afford to give us a contract that blows theirs out of the water. I just hope the pilot group is strong enough to stand its ground.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Seeing how Comair has taken concessions, Delta can afford to give us a contract that blows theirs out of the water. I just hope the pilot group is strong enough to stand its ground.

Do you REALLY think that is possible?

 

[Tomct]

Homer...Yes! We just have to be of ONE MIND and settle for nothing but the BEST!!

 

[bigshooter]

Negatron

Seeing how Comair has taken concessions, Delta can afford to give us a contract that blows theirs out of the water. I just hope the pilot group is strong enough to stand its ground.[/QUOTE]


I think the word here boys and girls is NEGATRON!!!!!

 

[Palerider957]

I think the word here boys and girls is NEGATRON!!!!![/QUOTE]

Huh???

 

[Tim47SIP]

Negatron?

I think it is more like DREAMATRON!

I am not sure what planet some of you guys think your on, but try a come on down to earth and look at the big pcture. You may learn something.

 

[bigshooter]

I think we are getting it know.

 

[bigshooter]

i mean now

 

[Ace McCoy]

What is the deal with Management being against ASAP programs? There was much resistance here at Mesaba until a deal was finally done recently. It seems like a good program for all involved but now I see more than one mangement team is against the idea. Can anyone out there explain it to me?

 

[rgd]

Workplace Surveys



Employee to Supervisor



“The pay here is shat and the stench of this place makes us want to puke”



Supervisor to Coordinator



“The employees say that their pay is crap and the smell of the place makes them vomit”



Coordinator to Manager



“The employees say that their pay is manure and the company has a pungent odor that causes them to throw up”



Manager to Director



“The employees say that their pay is like manure in that they are helping the company grow, they can smell the success that is coming and it makes them want to throw in all they have got”.



Director to Vice President



"The employees say that their pay is fertilizing the company and causing great growth and they enjoy the sweet smell of success, which is making them work harder".



Vice President to President



"The employees say that their pay is creating exponential growth and that the fragrance of success is second only to the amount of work and effort that they will put into their jobs. They are very happy”.

 

[bailout]

OMG, that was hilarious!!!

and so corporate true.

 

[outtahere]

I think it is more like DREAMATRON!

I am not sure what planet some of you guys think your on, but try a come on down to earth and look at the big pcture. You may learn something.

Exactly what big picture are you referring to? The big picture of ASA pilots standing together and getting a contract that we can show to the rest of the industry and be proud of. Or the picture that shows how if your pilot group is made up of 51% spineless pukes you will be embarrassed to even mention who you work for.

 

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What is the deal with Management being against ASAP programs? There was much resistance here at Mesaba until a deal was finally done recently. It seems like a good program for all involved but now I see more than one mangement team is against the idea. Can anyone out there explain it to me?

Ace - Glad you asked. At some airlines, not all, Corporate Safety has a mission to protect the Company's Certificate at all costs. One way to protect the Company's Certificate is to deflect FAA enforcement actions towards the Certificate of the Pilot in Command.

The FAA usually has to do something to close an enforcement action. Companies usually get fined. Pilots usually get a Letter of Warning. Harsh penalties like Suspensions and Revocations are saved for the rare bad apples that made an error on purpose, or took action they clearly knew was inappropriate. From the Company's perspective a Letter of Warning against a crewmwmber is a harmless resolution - so some Corporate Safety departments act in concert with Flight Operations Management to steer an incident investigation into punitive action against their pilots.

For these type of airlines ASAP is seen as a loss of control. The non-punitive environment means that there is less opportunity to pin the tail on the pilot.

At some airlines the fight has been over the employee's right under labor law to file a grievance. First of all, the grievance process is a right. Second, why should it be necessary to waive basic employment rights to take advantage of a safety program?

It is my arguement that safety should be above grievances, penalties, an finger pointing. Yes, we want people to be responsible for intentional acts o misconduct, but most accidents involve honest mistakes that are compounded by contributory factors. Pilots have the most to risk, not only to their Certificates, but in their blood. We are at the pointy end of these things you know.

That is why a open, honest and independent safety system can be administered and satisfy the goals of airline management. Fewer incidents means fewer wasted dollars and time - which benefit the airline. Some airline managements just have such a poor relationship with their pilots that they are unwilling to risk a fair, open and mutually beneficial system. Pin the tail on the pilot is all they know how to play.

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