ASA pay raise !!!!!!

[MACH.83]

For all of you now flying on the edge of complete exaustion and between your junior man assignments, ASA has a new incentive for pilots! You can now recieve 150 percent of the OLD but current contract pay if!!!! you voluntarily pick up any nap (CDO) in open time. Contact SCHEDULING for details but BE WARNED you may be advised of a trip that duties in with less than the required rest because of operational delays(another bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** line that needs to be fixed). MAYBE MANAGEMENT THINKS WE'RE COMPLETE MORONS. I can't believe how creative they have become. NO we don't have lives or families. We love to spend 400 hours a month on the road and fly around with our brains on the brink of total shutdown. How about we make it mandatory for Schedulers and Managment to ride along with us on a line for the month! OH by the way Skip has offered to let any crewmember stay at his home and raid the fridge while looking for a new home in ATL. Plus he will watch the kids and help with the financing and find a buyer for your old home while he takes care of pilot moral and qwaushing rumors. The kicker is he will find someone to cover your trip while you close and help unload and unpack while your pregnant wife takes a minute to relax after driving for hours on the crazy GA highways. AND NO IM NOT PISSED. A KISS WOULD BE NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Palerider957]

Mach.83

Easy brother, easy. Don't have a stroke (they'd simply replace you with a cheaper employee) just fly as burn gas, ground airplanes, and fly the contract.

If you let them get to you like this (as I used to do), you only lose. Forget picking up trips, just fly your line, then go home. When you fly, fly for the comfort and safety of the CREW--anything else is purely irrelevant.

Wasn't ASA displacing 700 FO's and putting them on the 200, all the while taking delivery of new 700's?? BRILLIANT!!

 

[shamrock]

I can hear the coversation now.

"Scheduling. Willie speaking."

"Hey Willie, I wanted to pick up that Valdosta nap in open time. I hear they give us breakfast in the morning and i could really use the time and a half."

"Well lemme check. Nope, that was already picked up, but since I have you on the phone, I'm gonna need you to come in for a junior man assignment. Duty in in an hour. Don't know where you're goin' yet. Just call us when you get to the airport. Thanks for callin' " Click.

 

[shamrock]

Forget picking up trips, just fly your line, then go home.

But if you want to make money by flying more help a brotha (or sista) out by trying to pick it up off the trade board.

If you're under guarantee is the 150% going to be on top of your 75 hours? I'd guess not. It'll probably be only the standard 50%. Pay attention to that if you do it.

 

[Yank McCobb]

Palerider,

Sure, burn gas and ground airplanes. May as well. That'll get you the door as quick as anything else. It sure as s**t won't get you a better contract.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Palerider,

Sure, burn gas and ground airplanes. May as well. That'll get you the door as quick as anything else. It sure as s**t won't get you a better contract.

That may happen at any other airline. The fact here is that they can hardly keep track of who's flying which airplane, nevermind how much gas we're burning.
Grounding airplanes is quite easy- just enter everything that doesn't work. Mind you, writing up chart holders won't cut it, but these clapped out CRJ's always have something happening. If you're not happy with the way MTC has disposed of the entry, don't go. Pilots will know their aircraft better than MTC 80% of the time. That comes from personal experience. What you have at the regionals, are MTC personnel who are no experts in engineering, but rather MEL deferral experts, and 50% of the time, they fail at that. Take it easy.....

 

[letthebigdogeat]

Ops check good.

Yeah, I agree with all. Only a dumb suck up would pick up these naps. This is just unreal. I hope everyone has the brains not to fall for this one. Nice try Skip.

 

[Palerider957]

Palerider,

Sure, burn gas and ground airplanes. May as well. That'll get you the door as quick as anything else. It sure as s**t won't get you a better contract.

I'm talking about writing up genuine maint. issues, rather then nuring the plane to the hub. As for burning gas--fly fast and low (better TAS, don't ya know).

My focus is on crew comfort--faster to the overnight means we can drink more beer.

 

[shamrock]

Only a dumb suck up would pick up these naps.

So has someone who picks up open time always been a "dumb suck up" or does that only apply after this memo?

Just curious.

 

[FL000]

Last time I checked, there were a bunch of nap drops on the trade board if anyone is interested.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Just remember that any nap pays 5.0 hours if you are junior manned & they can only junior man you for one CDO.

 

[shamrock]

Last time I checked, there were a bunch of nap drops on the trade board if anyone is interested.

The 150% pay is only for pick-ups out of open time. Trade board doesn't count unfortunately.

 

[Freebrd]

ALPA signed off on this? Our union is doing management a FAVOR???? WTF over!!!
I hope no one picks these up. Time and a half for a lousy nap? You gotta be sheting me man! Oh, yeah, our union wants us to walk the walk in May, and then they sign off on this?????

 

[captain caveman]

I think the nap pays 5 hours for junior assignment at 150% and once junior manned for a nap they can not junior assign you again for the rest of the month.

 

[Palerider957]

I think the nap pays 5 hours for junior assignment at 150% and once junior manned for a nap they can not junior assign you again for the rest of the month.

Good luck with that. If they want to JM you, you can bet they will. Don't like it, grieve it!!

 

[Boxer]

Willie, he da man...

 

[Ted Striker]

ALPA signed off on this? Our union is doing management a FAVOR???? WTF over!!!
I hope no one picks these up. Time and a half for a lousy nap? You gotta be sheting me man! Oh, yeah, our union wants us to walk the walk in May, and then they sign off on this?????

They signed this back in 2000 when things were quite a bit rosier in their relationship. Unfortunetly, you can't diregard a LOA once it is signed, unless you are management. So yes, go for a walk in May. and DON'T TOUCH THE OPENTIME POT!!!

 

[scarlet]

Don't pick the trips up--let them JR man you ---YOU GET MORE PAY___HELLO........

WHO cares about 150% on most of the naps are short flights--GSP....WOW 1.30 of pay....

 

[wood pecker]

For those trying to argue how unsafe flying is when scheduling mixes 3-4 day trips w/ naps are about to have their argument disproven when the greedy pilots start knocking over the leather recliners in the crew lounge to pick up these bonus naps.


When my friend interned 8 years ago he was told that all open time would be 150% if the pilots could stand togehter for 1-2 months and stop picking up open time. The person telling him this was laughing as he explained that pilots in general all have one thing in common. Their mentality is screw you if it helps me.

 

[Huck]

I was a freshly minted (class # 2 in Montreal) RJ FO during the last safety campaign.

I had a secret place to check during my walkaraounds at the outstation. So secret I didn't even tell other FO's, because it grounded the jet about 50% of the time and I wanted all of them to myself.

Here - I'll whisper it: ((((Spoiler grounding straps))).

Oh yeah, and as a bonus - ATR cockpit smoke door threshholds. ASA used to replace the OEM plastic threshholds with the kind you buy at Home Depot. We grounded 4 of them in one morning with that one. Enjoy....

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Ya gotta have those sucksers up in order to see the grounding straps, no? I've seen those things flailing while riding in the back. Cool.

 

[Freebrd]

No favors for ASA! Don't pick these CDOs up, period!

note: you actually make more $$$ by getting drafted for one of these.

Go to ASA ALPA and read about the most recent negoiations. The company is still stalling and is even opposed to giving hiring priority to furloughed DAL pilots!

And please, let's get as many pilots out there in May for picketing!

 

[Huck]

Technically lifting up the spoilers wasn't part of the walkaround. But you're right, when they break sometimes they leak out of the crack between the spoiler and the wing. So that's how I always spotted it, honest...

Good luck guys. The last time around was the biggest fight I've ever been through. You're up against the meanest in the business.

 

[sgwabd]

I agree with Free Brd. DON'T PICK up the COD's. The only way we get a contract is the company feeling pressure. These pressures come in different ways. One EASY way is having them feel the pain of not enough CAPT's.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Huck :

Thank you.

~~~^~~~

 

[Silent Partner]

"No favors for ASA! Don't pick these CDOs up, period!"

Well you may want to send this thread to the F.S.I. 300tt guys in my initial class. They are already saying they hope scheduling calls them so they can fly as much as possible.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

"No favors for ASA! Don't pick these CDOs up, period!"

Well you may want to send this thread to the F.S.I. 300tt guys in my initial class. They are already saying they hope scheduling calls them so they can fly as much as possible.

Let 'em fly baby. They're going to need all the practice they can get. Only hopefully not with me.

 

[sweptback]

Let 'em fly baby. They're going to need all the practice they can get. Only hopefully not with me.

These will be the same people that complain about how they're so bored sitting on reserve, and even go as far as to call scheduling to beg for a trip. Except for a nap, well, because they'd rather fly a 4-day.

And I also guarantee that these people will be the loudest complainers when scheduling calls them all the time for short calls and 5 am duty ins because scheduling knows that they're eager to fly.

There's something to be said for maintaining a low profile on reserve, too bad a few don't get it.

 

[IFLYASA]

I just heard we lost 17 pilots last week, and recently 50 new hires. The new hires didn't want to deal with our unstable management and went to Coex. This was from an IP so I'm nut sure how valid this is. Good for them. Now let's see how many more will quit and realy shake up scheduling. I hope this has some serious reprocutions against management. All these new airplanes and no one to fly them. "Excellent Smithers"

 

[Smacktard]

I just heard we lost 17 pilots last week, and recently 50 new hires. The new hires didn't want to deal with our unstable management and went to Coex. This was from an IP so I'm nut sure how valid this is. Good for them. Now let's see how many more will quit and realy shake up scheduling. I hope this has some serious reprocutions against management. All these new airplanes and no one to fly them. "Excellent Smithers"

I don't think they were trained, the 50 you are referring to. The version I heard was they interviewed and then prior to class accepted other offers (COex).