ASA non-revers on Delta

[Jorgy50]

Does anyone know if Delta is charging ASA employees and spouses the $5 segment fee and per mile charge? I've heard that they aren't charging anyone. Is that true?

 

[Airboss]

no charges as of yet.....it looks like we may just pay a larger annual fee and they will drop the leg charge.

 

[WAVIT Inbound]

no charges as of yet.....it looks like we may just pay a larger annual fee and they will drop the leg charge.

That is exactly what is going to happen for both ASA and Skywest.

 

[JoeMerchant]

.....I think the message was received.......loud and clear....:beer:

 

[EV120]

I have not travelled since the changes were effective. So are we still getting S2's or not. Travelnet shows me with a full allotment and S3 on DAL for me on the family...wassup..

 

[John Pennekamp]

.....I think the message was received.......loud and clear....:beer:

Exactly. Too many Almighty Double Breasted Delta Pilots don't make it to work, and changes happen!!!

:beer:

 

[SPDBRD747400]

I have not travelled since the changes were effective. So are we still getting S2's or not. Travelnet shows me with a full allotment and S3 on DAL for me on the family...wassup..

Nope, those S2 are only good on ASA flights, if you've been here longer than 10 years you get 6 S2's if you have been here less than that you only get 3 S2's. You get unlimited S3's on ASA flights and I believe unlimted S3C's on DL flights, along with S3CC on all other Connection flights Skywest included. You also have less Transocenic flights with S3C priority and after you use up your (18 flight days) you drop to S4 status.

 

[zawillif]

Exactly. Too many Almighty Double Breasted Delta Pilots don't make it to work, and changes happen!!!

:beer:

It's funny you bring this up.

While I hate the "new" pay per segment policy at Delta, and agree about the Almighty Double Breasted Delta D!cks, I have to say that is the dumbest statement I have ever heard. The jumpseat is not a weapon, it is not a negotiating tool, it is an extra seat to facilitate pilots' ability to live where they want.

I am a commuter and I have now started to see a backlash from Delta pilots who are getting screwed or given a hard time about our new pass benefits. So basically all you are doing is screwing your fellow ASA pilots who are trying to make this thing work. Luckily the Delta guy I dealt with was pretty reasonable and agreed with me that we shouldn't get into a jumpseat war over this. They have nothing to do with our pass privileges. They do not negotiate for them and shouldn't have to.

He asked me to have a word with our pilots about this and I said I would with anyone I talk to. Lets act like professionals. Lets try to get our pass privileges back, but lets not start a jumpseat war with Delta. It's going to end up hurting us more than it hurts them.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Lets act like professionals. Lets try to get our pass privileges back, but lets not start a jumpseat war with Delta. It's going to end up hurting us more than it hurts them.

Well said.

 

[dickburns]

zawillif,

you should really just go ahead with that transfer to Mesa that you keep talking about. you'd be able to avoid all the jumpseat issues with DAL, you could get IAD based and just jumpseat on UAL to wherever you need to go, and best of all, could be working for a world class operation, probably the best of the regionals.

 

[USCtrojan]

It's funny you bring this up.

While I hate the "new" pay per segment policy at Delta, and agree about the Almighty Double Breasted Delta D!cks, I have to say that is the dumbest statement I have ever heard. The jumpseat is not a weapon, it is not a negotiating tool, it is an extra seat to facilitate pilots' ability to live where they want.

I am a commuter and I have now started to see a backlash from Delta pilots who are getting screwed or given a hard time about our new pass benefits. So basically all you are doing is screwing your fellow ASA pilots who are trying to make this thing work. Luckily the Delta guy I dealt with was pretty reasonable and agreed with me that we shouldn't get into a jumpseat war over this. They have nothing to do with our pass privileges. They do not negotiate for them and shouldn't have to.

He asked me to have a word with our pilots about this and I said I would with anyone I talk to. Lets act like professionals. Lets try to get our pass privileges back, but lets not start a jumpseat war with Delta. It's going to end up hurting us more than it hurts them.

Great point Zawiliff. I agree completely. I use Delta and SkyWest and couldn't say enough good things about both sets of Airmen. Everybody I have run into has gone out of their way to be accomodating and welcoming. I try to do the same vice versa when I'm flying. I get a lot of Delta folks, but rarely any SkyWesters. Either way, come one come all, you're always welcome on my jumpseat regardless of opinions/politics.

Trojan

 

[~~~^~~~]

Until the merger and everything changes again....

Anyone know what Pinnacle, Mesaba, Mesa, et. al. get on NWA?

 

[WalterSobchak]

I use Delta and SkyWest and couldn't say enough good things about both sets of Airmen.

Speaking from the point of view of the bastard stepchildren of the jumpseat...I can't say enough of about the crews at mainline Delta being so welcoming on my back and forth runs to/from DFW.

It may not matter much to y'all...but a jumpseat war not only hurts your fellow pilots, but hits some of us dispatchers pretty hard, as well.

As far as the segment fees are concerned, I recently read the following:

"segment and mileage fees will not be applied for Delta Air Lines domestic travel. A new fee, likely an increase to your PPR Activation Fee, will be agreed upon sometime in February."

 

[PositionandHold]

I jumpseat on Delta often, and can't say enough good things about the professionalism of the crews. They went out of their way on my last trip to accomadate me on the flight.

DL guys are always welcome on my jumpseat.

 

[twott driver]

It's funny you bring this up.

While I hate the "new" pay per segment policy at Delta, and agree about the Almighty Double Breasted Delta D!cks, .......... Lets act like professionals. Lets try to get our pass privileges back, but lets not start a jumpseat war with Delta. It's going to end up hurting us more than it hurts them.

While I think Pennekamp is a pompous ass, and as loath as I am to come to his defense, I really don't think he was refering to the jumpseat in this case. Delta travel S3C on ASA, and considering how much domestic flying we do for them, many of their commuters are now struggling to get to and from work as non-rev's.

 

[WAVIT Inbound]

Speaking from the point of view of the bastard stepchildren of the jumpseat...I can't say enough of about the crews at mainline Delta being so welcoming on my back and forth runs to/from DFW.

It may not matter much to y'all...but a jumpseat war not only hurts your fellow pilots, but hits some of us dispatchers pretty hard, as well.

As far as the segment fees are concerned, I recently read the following:

You are right. The per segment fee will no longer be required by ASA, and Skywest airlines.

 

[John Pennekamp]

While I think Pennekamp is a pompous ass, and as loath as I am to come to his defense, I really don't think he was refering to the jumpseat in this case. Delta travel S3C on ASA, and considering how much domestic flying we do for them, many of their commuters are now struggling to get to and from work as non-rev's.

Yes, that's EXACTLY what I was referring to.

 

[John Pennekamp]

It's funny you bring this up.

While I hate the "new" pay per segment policy at Delta, and agree about the Almighty Double Breasted Delta D!cks, I have to say that is the dumbest statement I have ever heard. The jumpseat is not a weapon, it is not a negotiating tool, it is an extra seat to facilitate pilots' ability to live where they want.

I am a commuter and I have now started to see a backlash from Delta pilots who are getting screwed or given a hard time about our new pass benefits. So basically all you are doing is screwing your fellow ASA pilots who are trying to make this thing work. Luckily the Delta guy I dealt with was pretty reasonable and agreed with me that we shouldn't get into a jumpseat war over this. They have nothing to do with our pass privileges. They do not negotiate for them and shouldn't have to.

He asked me to have a word with our pilots about this and I said I would with anyone I talk to. Lets act like professionals. Lets try to get our pass privileges back, but lets not start a jumpseat war with Delta. It's going to end up hurting us more than it hurts them.

I hope you feel better now that you got that off your chest. And spare me the lecture on "professionalism" I distinctly recall saving your bacon after a very unprofessional act you committed a couple of years ago.

Now with that said, I was referring to the Delta pilots not getting on our constantly weight limited flights as S3C non-revs. I have never denied a jumpseat to anybody.

Regarding them having "nothing to do with our pass privileges", back long before you came to ASA, the Delta MEC filed a grievance when we were given DOH S3 priority on Delta after they bought us. The Delta pilots didn't think we should be given anything over them on "their" airplanes. They lost the grievance, but have been fighting our pass benefits ever since. It appears they finally won.

 

[737 Pylt]

I hope you feel better now that you got that off your chest. And spare me the lecture on "professionalism" I distinctly recall saving your bacon after a very unprofessional act you committed a couple of years ago.

We know all about your "professionalism" after your infamous "if you're my f/o you'll do as I say" quote.

Now with that said, I was referring to the Delta pilots not getting on our constantly weight limited flights as S3C non-revs. I have never denied a jumpseat to anybody.

Good for you!

Regarding them having "nothing to do with our pass privileges", back long before you came to ASA, the Delta MEC filed a grievance when we were given DOH S3 priority on Delta after they bought us. The Delta pilots didn't think we should be given anything over them on "their" airplanes. They lost the grievance, but have been fighting our pass benefits ever since. It appears they finally won.

I don't understand why you regional pricks have such a hard time with this. Delta employees go first on Delta airplanes, and ASA employees go first on ASA airplanes.
Even someone as simple minded as you should understand that!

737

 

[John Pennekamp]

We know all about your "professionalism" after your infamous "if you're my f/o you'll do as I say" quote.


Good for you!


I don't understand why you regional pricks have such a hard time with this. Delta employees go first on Delta airplanes, and ASA employees go first on ASA airplanes.
Even someone as simple minded as you should understand that!

737

Surely, you don't really believe I tell my FOs that. Please tell us you're not that stupid so as to take comments meant to flame people on Flightinfo seriously.

As for us regional pricks, we have no love for Almighty Double Breasted Delta Pilots, so maybe you and your squadron buddies better rent a car next time your S3C priority isn't getting you to work on an ASA airplane. Or you can petition to get everybody back to S3. Get it now?