ASA MGT. enters into SELF HELP

[scarlet]

AS per the RLA of self help..."For carrier, self help includes implementing their proposed contract changes; MAKING A NATIONAL RESPONSE TO DEFEND
AGAINST A SELECTIVE STRIKE THAT JEOPARDIZES NATIONAL BARGAINING,,....

or even what we know as Union Busting

 

[Speedtape]

The only self help they need is to wakeup and discover that they should be running the American Softball Association--the other ASA! Batter up!

 

[Sinca3]

This might be an attempt at answering the question I posed in 2 other threads.
Anyway...would the threat of and then the transfer of equipment be considered self help? I would think it could be a strong argument for the union.

 

[CJA]

This might be an attempt at answering the question I posed in 2 other threads.
Anyway...would the threat of and then the transfer of equipment be considered self help? I would think it could be a strong argument for the union.

If the pilots refused to fly an airplane on the property because there was no agreement in place to fly said equipment would that be considered self help. What's the difference?

 

[JoeMerchant]

ASA would only be in violation of the status quo if they changed the pay or work rules in the current PWA. Getting rid of aircraft doesn't alter the status quo per the NRLA. ALPA doesn't seem to understand the danger of allowing multiple pilot groups to compete under a brand or a holding company. This story has played out before, and ALPA always loses. If you point it out to ALPA, you are labeled a "naysayer" or a "trouble maker".

Skywest has the upper hand.... would someone please point this out to ALPA.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

If the pilots refused to fly an airplane on the property because there was no agreement in place to fly said equipment would that be considered self help. What's the difference?

The difference is that there is an agreement to fly said equipment. It is an amendable agreement, but it us still in effect. Both sides must honor said agreement and transferring assets does not violate said agreement.

 

[CJA]

ASA would only be in violation of the status quo if they changed the pay or work rules in the current PWA. Getting rid of aircraft doesn't alter the status quo per the NRLA. ALPA doesn't seem to understand the danger of allowing multiple pilot groups to compete under a brand or a holding company. This story has played out before, and ALPA always loses. If you point it out to ALPA, you are labeled a "naysayer" or a "trouble maker".

Skywest has the upper hand.... would someone please point this out to ALPA.....

My point exactly. The company does what they want and ALPA is powerless to stop it. Looks like the airline management boys are putting a serious whoop-ass on ALPA.

 

[JoeMerchant]

My point exactly. The company does what they want and ALPA is powerless to stop it. Looks like the airline management boys are putting a serious whoop-ass on ALPA.

We can take ALPA back if the majority feel the same way. Elections for all 4 MEC members are coming up this fall.... the first time ever that the entire MEC is up for re-election. Status quo or time for a change?

 

[ReportCanoa]

Time for a new job.

 

[Bizjet]

We can take ALPA back if the majority feel the same way. Elections for all 4 MEC members are coming up this fall.... the first time ever that the entire MEC is up for re-election. Status quo or time for a change?

Wow Joey are you going to run for reelection? You have a couple of hours experience over the last 30 months serving the pilots of ASA as LEC 112 Sec/Treas. Maybe you could take your vast experience and knowledge and show everyone how to use your position to assist management against the ASA pilot group.

Why don't you take a little time and explain why you refuse to return the ASA LEC 112 meeting minutes you stole from the last meeting you attended over 18 months ago. Make sure you tell them that you wrote in a previous posting that it was your leverage against the MEC leadership because they would not take your Anti Union bias and allow you to use the LEC meetings as your ANTI ALPA forum.

 

[atrdriver]

Getting rid of aircraft doesn't alter the status quo per the NRLA.

Normally I would agree with that. However, if you remember Tutts Letter Of Doom, one of the options stated was that aircraft would be transferred away froom us if we did not agree to the companies proposal. That was a direct threat, and there are 4000+ copies of it floating around. A court might just find that it IS a violation of status quo just because the threat was made.

 

[US Flyer]

I agree with ATR driver on this one. That implied threat of Tutts previous letter could be construed in court as blackmail/extortion. That was the entire purpose of the letter. I think because of its existence, if ALPA has any huevos (and smarts) they will take this one to the next level.

 

[scarlet]

The RLA states that a company self help includes.. "makes a national response to defend AGAINST a selective strikethat jeopardizes national bargaining...

Transferring airplanes would be a response !!

The Tutt letter is proof enough, ALPA needs to do something NOW--CALL the mediator--WE WANT RELEASED!

 

[goahead]

ALPA will lose this fight and if they don't I'll buy you a beer.

 

[ASADriver]

Well this should be easy to settle. What does ALPA say? ALPA is it a violation of status quo or not?

 

[scarlet]

Just google Railroad Labor Act and search Self Help...

IT outlines employees self help, and then the companies self help.....

 

[scarlet]

Nothing from the Union yet!!! There will be

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Well this should be easy to settle. What does ALPA say? ALPA is it a violation of status quo or not?

The MEC doesn't post here dumbass. You want an answer, pick up the phone and call one of them. Their numbers are readily available.

 

[ASADriver]

The MEC doesn't post here dumbass. You want an answer, pick up the phone and call one of them. Their numbers are readily available.

I suspect some of these posters are MEC. Why doesn't ALPA send us a "Connection" or an email with the answer. It's very simple, either this is a violation of the status quo or it isn't. ALPA answer the question. My guess is ALPA is trying to figure out how to answer the question without pissing off their supporters. They are losing and they don't want to admit it.

 

[outtahere]

So let me ask you, if this does turn out to be illegal and Alpa sues the company who would you side with? This question is for all of you union bashers, ohpus$y, joemerchant, A$$driver, and whoever else I am missing.

 

[atrdriver]

I suspect some of these posters are MEC. Why doesn't ALPA send us a "Connection" or an email with the answer. It's very simple, either this is a violation of the status quo or it isn't. ALPA answer the question. My guess is ALPA is trying to figure out how to answer the question without pissing off their supporters. They are losing and they don't want to admit it.

Why don't you pick up a phone and call a MEC member? Is that too much trouble for you? Their numbers are VERY easy to find, and they would be happy to talk with you about it. But then you would actually have accurate information, and couldn't post your usual anti ALPA BS on here, could you?

 

[shamrock]

I suspect some of these posters are MEC.

Call them and you won't have to guess who (if anyone) is speaking for ALPA here.

Why doesn't ALPA send us a "Connection" or an email with the answer.

Why don't you take the initiative and call them instead of waiting for the info to be spoon fed to you? Of course talking to them would kind of take the wind out of your sails, so we know that won't happen.

ALPA answer the question.

Why don't you ask them directly instead of through an anonymous message board?

It's very simple

Yes it is. Pick up the phone and call them if you want an answer. I suspect you don't really want one though.

 

[Bizjet]

I suspect some of these posters are MEC. Why doesn't ALPA send us a "Connection" or an email with the answer. It's very simple, either this is a violation of the status quo or it isn't. ALPA answer the question. My guess is ALPA is trying to figure out how to answer the question without pissing off their supporters. They are losing and they don't want to admit it.

The reason you won't call the MEC and ask is because you would be too embarrassed to have anyone know that you are the snivelling little whiner who ask all the stupid questions and makes all the baseless alligations against the Union. You are not looking for answers. You were instructed by managment to continue to post the same stupid questions and you are dumb enough to do it. They are hoping that some of it will stick. Not going to happen.

 

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[ASADriver]

Call them and you won't have to guess who (if anyone) is speaking for ALPA here.



Why don't you take the initiative and call them instead of waiting for the info to be spoon fed to you? Of course talking to them would kind of take the wind out of your sails, so we know that won't happen.



Why don't you ask them directly instead of through an anonymous message board?



Yes it is. Pick up the phone and call them if you want an answer. I suspect you don't really want one though.

Typical ALPA response. The membership, who pays the bills, is very busy. Why can't the union put the information out to those who actually pay the bills? Do all 1700 pilots have to call a rep to get an answer? Here that Skywest pilots, if you want to here what is going on you have to call a rep. They won't tell you otherwise. More ALPA BS.

 

[ASADriver]

The reason you won't call the MEC and ask is because you would be too embarrassed to have anyone know that you are the snivelling little whiner who ask all the stupid questions and makes all the baseless alligations against the Union. You are not looking for answers. You were instructed by managment to continue to post the same stupid questions and you are dumb enough to do it. They are hoping that some of it will stick. Not going to happen.

I have personally talked to the ALPA reps., and they have lied to me. It would be a waste of time to call them. Why should they tell the truth now? One of the MEC reps told me and others that Skywest wouldn't transfer aircraft. That was a lie. They are transferring aircraft. ALPA better wake up and quit blaming all their problems on those of us paying the bills.

 

[shamrock]

Typical ALPA response.

A ha, so there have been some ALPA responses! Guess they're not doing as good a job of hiding from you as you would lead us to believe!

The membership, who pays the bills, is very busy.

With all the time you spend posting here you're obviously not that busy, so that's an empty argument. And you're just a member of ALPA, you don't speak for the membership. Many of us, even the busy ones, are quite able to find the info we are looking for.

Why can't the union put the information out to those who actually pay the bills?

I have personally talked to the ALPA reps., and they have lied to me. It would be a waste of time to call them. Why should they tell the truth now?

The information is out there and based on your second quote you have received at least some of it. Whether you choose to believe it is up to you, but don't whine about not getting information just because it's not what you want to hear. Just curious, how would the information be any different if it were sent out in a newsletter or email versus being verbally delivered? It's still all the same ALPA "BS", right?

Here that Skywest pilots, if you want to here what is going on you have to call a rep. They won't tell you otherwise.

Lord have mercy, you're saying you would need to call a rep to get answers to the questions you have? Oh the horror! Sounds like you've stumbled on to the vast ALPA conspiracy to keep you in the dark by realizing that you can use a phone to talk to the reps! Now that the secret is out, what are those evil MEC people to do?

 

[atrdriver]

The membership, who pays the bills, is very busy.

But you're not too busy to post your anti ALPA crap on here, are you? ALl it would take is a phone call, and you probably could have done it in the amount of time it took you to type your responses that you shouldn't have to call them. And if you are convinced that they are just going to lie to you, why do you want them to send out an e-mail blast? Your arguements are getting weaker and weaker.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I have personally talked to the ALPA reps., and they have lied to me. It would be a waste of time to call them. Why should they tell the truth now? One of the MEC reps told me and others that Skywest wouldn't transfer aircraft. That was a lie. They are transferring aircraft. ALPA better wake up and quit blaming all their problems on those of us paying the bills.

Off topic, but you never answered my question from before. Do you commute from Virginia? Are you a former IOE guy on the Brasilia? I still think I've got your number.

 

[Tomct]

But you're not too busy to post your anti ALPA crap on here, are you? ALl it would take is a phone call, and you probably could have done it in the amount of time it took you to type your responses that you shouldn't have to call them. And if you are convinced that they are just going to lie to you, why do you want them to send out an e-mail blast? Your arguements are getting weaker and weaker.

Don't waste your breathe ATR, @ssdiver is content with "listening to what Mgmnt" says as TRUTH! His name say's it all!:laugh: