ASA Mandatory FLICA memos

[Smacktard]

Why is Charlie Tutt's negotiations 'update' memo under my mandatory eDocs? Is reading the company 'position' (for lack of better word) on negotitions critical to my working at ASA? Is it as important as being notified of SIC Type Ratings, or base closures etc?

 

[ReportCanoa]

Yes. It is imperitive information to facilitate discussion during sterile cockpit.

 

[ASARJMan]

Just more crap from ASA management (and SKYW by default) trying to get a rise outa us. CT'sand BL's timing is beautiful, right before they possibly meet today for further negoiations. ASA management (ex-DAL managers) are the most ignorant, misinformed morons in the business world. Similar to the Dixie Chicks, I'm ashamed they represent ASA.

ALPA, release this to the AJC! Now!

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

ASA needs to pay for flica if they expect any "mandatory" reading to be disseminated therein.

Otherwise, kiss my ass!

 

[MELIT]

Why is Charlie Tutt's negotiations 'update' memo under my mandatory eDocs? Is reading the company 'position' (for lack of better word) on negotitions critical to my working at ASA? Is it as important as being notified of SIC Type Ratings, or base closures etc?

:bawling: :crying: :bawling: :crying: :bawling:

 

[TOOL CRIB]

ASA needs to pay for flica if they expect any "mandatory" reading to be disseminated therein.

Otherwise, kiss my ass!

Once again, they do pay for Flica. It is free while you're at work and using company computers. You pay for home access of Flica. That's your option.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

Once again, they do pay for Flica. It is free while you're at work and using company computers. You pay for home access of Flica. That's your option.

SHUDDUP!

 

[TOOL CRIB]

SHUDDUP!

No you shuddup!

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

No you shuddup!

Mom! Tool Crib told me to shuppup!!

 

[John Pennekamp]

If you don't like it, don't click on it.

But I say go ahead. Charlie and Brian are just hurting themselves with their asenine memos. All they do is piss the pilots off more. It's almost like they WANT a strike.

I love how at the end Charlie promises to "keep everyone informed". Yeah, thanks, Charlie, appreciate it since you're the only and most reliable source. Moron. Go back to retirement... and yes, I know you're reading this.

 

[79%N1]

And whats the deal with todays memo saying as of Sept 1 FO's are now required to have two sim evwnts per year, 1 being a PC??????? We have been doing that for like 2 years now, or am I the only one????

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Once again they say something and expect us to comply. MANDATORY, just another way they try to get people to do what they say. If it is that mandatory, why don't they put it out on crewweb as a crew message?

Dick

 

[Rotorhead1]

Only going twice in year is going to be great. I have already been twice and it is only the end of Aug. Wouldn't suprise me if they scheduled me go one more time before the end of Dec. Too many Captains and too few First Officers is what I have been told.

 

[legalalien]

The IP I had for my last PC said that the 2 events per year for FO's was going to happen this summer. He said that too many FO's were calling in sick for the sim causing problems with covering the right seat for a Captains PC. I guess some of the FO's figured out that they would just show up for their PC's requiired by the reg's! Can't say I blame them much!

 

[rightseatjocky]

Mom! Tool Crib told me to shuppup!!

HAHA. I LOVE IT.
OH, THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL

 

[xjlifer]

Just more crap from ASA management (and SKYW by default) trying to get a rise outa us. CT'sand BL's timing is beautiful, right before they possibly meet today for further negoiations. ASA management (ex-DAL managers) are the most ignorant, misinformed morons in the business world. Similar to the Dixie Chicks, I'm ashamed they represent ASA.

ALPA, release this to the AJC! Now!

VOTED IN FAVOR!

I'd trade em for the clown's we have "running" the show at XJ.

 

[gator_hater]

remember: ALPA is at one end of the spectrum, mgmt is at the other. read them both and form your own opinion.

 

[PCL_128]

remember: ALPA is at one end of the spectrum, mgmt is at the other. read them both and form your own opinion.

No, management has a vested interest in getting you to cave (bigger bonus checks for them). ALPA has no vested interest in lying to you about anything. The pilots on the MEC and the Negotiating committee will work under the same contract that you will. This idea of "listening to both sides and finding the answer in the middle" is absolute nonsense.

 

[regionalcap]

Any word on the meeting today?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Mom! Tool Crib told me to shuppup!!

Tool Crib,

Go to your room now, and don't come out until you change your attitude mister.

(You were referring to me, when you said "Mom"...right?????? )

 

[~~~^~~~]

ALPA has no vested interest in lying to you about anything.

You are funny. ALPA lies all the time. Usually it is to hide some plan that national is trying to push by which a group of small jet pilots are sailed down the river to promote some arbitrary demand du jour from the mainline pilots. ALPA lies so much that most of the time I don't even raise the issue any more.

For example I recently asked if ALPA National had shared with our negotiating committee details of Delta's reorganization plan, since ALPA had it as a benefit of the Delta bargaining. Our ALPA attorney (a NorthWest Airline Pilot) told our CNC that ALPA National could not provide that information because ALPA signed a confidentiality agreement. WHAT! ALPA is a single entity. How exactly can ALPA keep secrets from ALPA? Why can NorthWest pilots know about Delta bargaining, but ASA pilots cant?

While they ranted about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor, I just let it go....

ALPA is a political body. Doesn't everyone know that ASA pilots demanded Date of Hire integration at Delta and I had my books out to study for the left seat of the 767 - what a load of hooey....

Heck, you can probably think of a dozen whoppers Duane has told to try to make the Compass mess less of the steaming pile of dog squeeze that it is....

 

[PCL_128]

You are funny. ALPA lies all the time. Usually it is to hide some plan that national is trying to push by which a group of small jet pilots are sailed down the river to promote some arbitrary demand du jour from the mainline pilots. ALPA lies so much that most of the time I don't even raise the issue any more.

For example I recently asked if ALPA National had shared with our negotiating committee details of Delta's reorganization plan, since ALPA had it as a benefit of the Delta bargaining. Our ALPA attorney (a NorthWest Airline Pilot) told our CNC that ALPA National could not provide that information because ALPA signed a confidentiality agreement. WHAT! ALPA is a single entity. How exactly can ALPA keep secrets from ALPA? Why can NorthWest pilots know about Delta bargaining, but ASA pilots cant?

While they ranted about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor, I just let it go....

ALPA is a political body. Doesn't everyone know that ASA pilots demanded Date of Hire integration at Delta and I had my books out to study for the left seat of the 767 - what a load of hooey....

Heck, you can probably think of a dozen whoppers Duane has told to try to make the Compass mess less of the steaming pile of dog squeeze that it is....

Whatever, fins. If you choose to continue living in your fantasy world with JB and friends, then have at it.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Whatever, fins. If you choose to continue living in your fantasy world with JB and friends, then have at it.

From the most recent update from Dan Ford, based on documentation gained through the depositions of ALPA's Officers.
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Following the US Airways 2002 bankruptcy, the Allegheny and Piedmont pilots were advised by ALPA that they had to accept highly concessionary agreements which includedALPA’s mainline-imposed “Jets-for-Jobs” protocols in order to receive any of the small jets “authorized” by the US Airways MEC.. But when recently asked why the union didn’t address the objections to ALPA’s Jets-for-Jobs demands, an ALPA official testified that the union ignored their protests because it knew the promised small jets were not forthcoming and that this crucial information was deliberately withheld.

Not only do such arguments fail to justify ALPA’s refusal to respond to the objections of its members, but it attests to the inherent conflict of interest and numerous breaches of ALPA’s duties:

Ø[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]The future of Allegheny and Piedmont Airlines was a topic in the mainline negotiations.
Ø[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]The Piedmont and Allegheny pilots were excluded by ALPA from negotiations that directly affected their interests.
Ø[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]ALPA withheld pertinent bargaining information from the Allegheny and Piedmont pilots.
Ø[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]ALPA championed a concessionary agreement knowing the promised aircraft were not forthcoming.
Ø[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]ALPA championed its Jets-for-Jobs protocols knowing the promised aircraft were not forthcoming.

Events at US Airways serve as a snapshot of ALPA’s conflict of interest and how far the union will go to secure a mainline political objective. Hardly a day goes by that ALPA doesn’t boast how it’s defending the membership from management’s nefarious plans. In the case of the small jet, ALPA has long-claimed that if it weren’t for its small jet restrictions, management would replace all or most larger jets with small jets. But when forced to answer for its actions in court, ALPA now says its small jet restrictions merely conform to management’s plans!

Without a doubt this latest argument was crafted by ALPA’s lawyers in an effort to dodge legal accountability for the union’s actions and in doing so attests to the potency of the on-going litigation. But perhaps more importantly for all of ALPA’s members, the flip flop suggests that the union has always known that the small jet doesn’t pose a “threat” and that the union’s “war” against the small jet was motivated by politics—not facts.

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[PCL_128]

From the most recent update from Dan Ford,

And that's where I stopped reading.

 

[~~~^~~~]

As Mesaba goes through the throws of the bankruptcy process, ALPA has issued press releases attacking management’s concessionary demands as “immoral” and even suggesting that the Mesaba pilots are willing to see Mesaba shut down before capitulating to management’s demands. However, an examination of ALPA’s own actions in the Northwest negotiations suggests that the union itself has sought to diminish Mesaba’s role in the NWA system:

ØALPA prohibited Mesaba from operating the Avro-146 airliners at their maximum seating capacity, thereby preventing the aircraft from reaching its full economic potential.
ØALPA prohibited Mesaba from replacing the obsolete four-engined airliners with aircraft of similar size.
ØALPA prohibited Mesaba from operating any of the additional 50-seat small jets authorized in the 2005 NWA “Bridge Agreement.”
ØALPA championed the creation of a new “preferred” small jet alter ego in its “NWA70” proposal, eventually resulting in the formation of Compass Airlines (to be staffed by mainline pilots.)

When ALPA’s actions are considered in aggregate, it’s clear that the union’s small jet restrictions have diminished Mesaba’s ability to contribute to the NWA system even to the point of rendering the carrier surplus. If ALPA’s actions weren’t deliberate then at the very least they demonstrate the union’s indifference toward the harm inflicted by its predatory mainline bargaining.

Another consequence of ALPA’s actions is that they may in fact embolden management to make such extreme demands of its “regional” pilots. After all, if in the mainline negotiations the union itself demonstrates the utmost contempt for the small jet and the ALPA members who fly them, then presumably management is sent a clear message that any subsequent “defense” of the Mesaba pilots will only be token.

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And PCL - if you don't believe me, you should be able to follow this link to read it in ALPA's own words.

 

[PCL_128]

And PCL - if you don't believe me, you should be able to follow this link to read it in ALPA's own words.



Related Link: http://www.rjdefense.com/legal.html

That link is a dead end. Pretty fitting coming from the RJDC.

 

[~~~^~~~]

And that's where I stopped reading.

Can't deal with the truth? Don't feel bad - ALPA can't deal with their conflict of interest and they can't bring themselves to admit it, so they have to lie.

You know I'm not a pure ALPA basher, but your blanket statement that ALPA never lies was begging for a response.

 

[~~~^~~~]

That link is a dead end. Pretty fitting coming from the RJDC.

And I thought you stopped reading.....

My bad on the link. I will try to get the correct one and put it up here.

 

[PCL_128]

And I thought you stopped reading.....

I did stop reading Dan's filth. I skipped ahead to your comment. I stopped reading anything that comes from Dan Ford a very long time ago. You would do well to follow suit.

 

[PCL_128]

Can't deal with the truth? Don't feel bad - ALPA can't deal with their conflict of interest and they can't bring themselves to admit it, so they have to lie.

You know I'm not a pure ALPA basher, but your blanket statement that ALPA never lies was begging for a response.

You speak of things that you have absolutely zero personal experience with. I deal with ALPA staffers, National Officers, contract administrators, etc... all the time because of my volunteer position. You have never held an elected office within ALPA, so you don't have the personal experience to make the assertions that you do. Perhaps you should run for office so you can actually see for yourself how ALPA works rather than believing the lies that come from Dan Ford.