ASA Banner towing

[maxcackel]

Saw a Banner towing plane pulling "ASA Mgt. Pilots deserve a fair contract now" flying over Atlanta tonight around 7pm. Anybody know who did it?

 

[Sinca3]

Asa Alpa!
Here's a link to the ASA MEC website for all you ASA people that have a valid ALPA #....picture included
https://crewroom.alpa.org/ASA/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=1627&tabindex=99

 

[bailout]

That is Too F*...ing cool

I saved the photo..!

 

[falcon20driver]

I'd like to see the pic of the banner plane or banner, can you email it to me or post a link to the pic?

Thanks

 

[711-24-7]

That was cool. Saw it going up and down I-75 around COBB area. So unexpected. But it was awesome. I guess when everything else fails go back to basics.........................I think.........

 

[ifly4food]

According to the union, the plane took off from PDK, went around the city, then toured over Ted Stadium (Braves opening day) until the No Fly Zone went into effect. then went back up the west side to PDK. Pretty cool way to give ASA management the finger if you ask me. Apparently it also ruffled some feathers in the Delta GO.

 

[CF34-3B1]

Priceless.

Hopefully if there were any Delta big wigs at the game it got their attention

 

[kikejavy]

very cool!!!
hopefully they'll understand we mean business

 

[scarlet]

I forgot to log out

Heads up, I won't be this nice next time

 

[Ailerongirl]

Heads up, I won't be this nice next time

How about when you find someone who's still logged on, you just log them out, instead of posting?? How hard would that be?

 

[TX_DFW]

I love it way to go alpa

 

[say again]

What a classic move!!! That is what I like to see. Stick it to the man!!!!!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Who was this aimed at? Most of ASA's management lives South of Atlanta and none of them care about what the employees think. I have never seen such an overtly hostile place to work as ASA. Further, management takes pride in how hard they can push employees unfairly. PRIDE!

Why don't we start making public the legitimate safety concerns we have? The public would be more concerned about crew scheduling horror stories and exhausted crews flying around than they are "fair compensation."

I don't think the public cares if we are on food stamps as long as they get their flight for $89. The public does understand why pilots working 16 hours a day with 9 hours rest in domicile is probably not safe.

 

[falcon20driver]

So no one here has the guts to post a link to the pic?

 

[bailout]

Someone did post a link. You just have to have ASA ALPA access to get it. If there was a way to post pictures on here I would.

Fins, I agree with what your saying, but the problem is its company would say its LEGAL (ok, mostly) per the FAA.

 

[jetstream]

Great idea! Someone was really thinking on that one. I just wish it could have been a CRJ towing it.

Here is another idea. This summer when ASA does its annual dog and pony show by taking a RJ to the Wings Over Georgia Airshow and asks for volunteers to fly the plane down, give tours, and answer questions from spectators. No one volunteer.

 

[Sinca3]

The pilots for that are from the flt engineering dept. No, I don't know what there job function is.....just the good ole' boy's gettin and keepin jobs........

 

[711-24-7]

Great idea! Someone was really thinking on that one. I just wish it could have been a CRJ towing it.

Here is another idea. This summer when ASA does its annual dog and pony show by taking a RJ to the Wings Over Georgia Airshow and asks for volunteers to fly the plane down, give tours, and answer questions from spectators. No one volunteer.

Now that is a really good Idea. Why show positive image of ASA in public, when there isn't one in Practice in the company.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Great idea! Someone was really thinking on that one. I just wish it could have been a CRJ towing it.

Here is another idea. This summer when ASA does its annual dog and pony show by taking a RJ to the Wings Over Georgia Airshow and asks for volunteers to fly the plane down, give tours, and answer questions from spectators. No one volunteer.

Problem is that there are many junior jet pilots on reserve who would love to take one down and push their 26yr old chest out to say "I am an AIRLINE Captain".

 

[Medeco]

The pilots for that are from the flt engineering dept. No, I don't know what there job function is.....just the good ole' boy's gettin and keepin jobs........

This is only partially correct.

The guys who did the flying in the airshow were the Engineering dept.

These guys are sharp, and have earned the seniority first, and have helped to give the ASA training dept. a very good reputation for the RJ. After all, isnt the airline biz about seniority and the perks that come with that? With that said, I do agree that there are a few that fit your statement.

I think you may be referencing on Big mouthed guy who sort of fits your statement, but he his very sharp. He also runs his mouth too much.

Anyway, the Airshow is something I enjoy volunteering for and have done so for the past two years, greeting people on the plane and giving kids a chance to sit in the left seat, letting them see the cool stuff. This is very rewarding, to encourage future pilots. The smile on kids faces of all ages, is pretty cool to watch and they could not care less about our contract.

I dont agree that not volunteering for this would do any good, besides there are plenty of pilots in ASA Mgt. that would fill the gap.


Atleast with me, I can sit there and be a union advocate/supporter and answer any questions someone might ask about ASA with a real and accurate perspective since I am a line pilot with first hand knowledge of the BS that ASA is handing the pilots.

If the union asked all ASA pilots to stop doing something like this, then I would support the unions call.

The banner tow was a GREAT idea that really had an impact on DAL. That impact being mgt. losing face, hopefully while they took their seat and sipped a beer. Then choked on it.

Fins mentioned that ASA/DAL mgt. live on the southside. Yes, but I would bet that many of them were at opening day, and many who know them and their cell phone numbers were at opening day. The word got around. Going to opening day of the Braves is a "big wig" thing to do with friends and family.

I have personally seen our new VP of operations at college football games with his family, on three occations as I walk to the stadium. It is downtown ATL. also. This would be something to consider for the future.

Medeco

 

[Mmmmmm Burritos]

I know for a fact that ASA mgmt's contract administrator goes to Braves games often. Heck, I think they have season tickets from what I hear.

Braves tickets on opening day - $25
Glass of Bud Light at the game - $10
Deer in headlights look of ASA mgmt as they see the banner overhead - priceless!

 

[Sinca3]

Who?

This is only partially correct.

The guys who did the flying in the airshow were the Engineering dept.

These guys are sharp, and have earned the seniority first, and have helped to give the ASA training dept. a very good reputation for the RJ. After all, isnt the airline biz about seniority and the perks that come with that? With that said, I do agree that there are a few that fit your statement.

I think you may be referencing on Big mouthed guy who sort of fits your statement, but he his very sharp. He also runs his mouth too much.

Anyway, the Airshow is something I enjoy volunteering for and have done so for the past two years, greeting people on the plane and giving kids a chance to sit in the left seat, letting them see the cool stuff. This is very rewarding, to encourage future pilots. The smile on kids faces of all ages, is pretty cool to watch and they could not care less about our contract.

I dont agree that not volunteering for this would do any good, besides there are plenty of pilots in ASA Mgt. that would fill the gap.


Atleast with me, I can sit there and be a union advocate/supporter and answer any questions someone might ask about ASA with a real and accurate perspective since I am a line pilot with first hand knowledge of the BS that ASA is handing the pilots.

If the union asked all ASA pilots to stop doing something like this, then I would support the unions call.

The banner tow was a GREAT idea that really had an impact on DAL. That impact being mgt. losing face, hopefully while they took their seat and sipped a beer. Then choked on it.

Fins mentioned that ASA/DAL mgt. live on the southside. Yes, but I would bet that many of them were at opening day, and many who know them and their cell phone numbers were at opening day. The word got around. Going to opening day of the Braves is a "big wig" thing to do with friends and family.

I have personally seen our new VP of operations at college football games with his family, on three occations as I walk to the stadium. It is downtown ATL. also. This would be something to consider for the future.

Medeco

Medco,
While I totally agree that these pilots have "put in their time" here at ASA and I'm sure they are all extremely smart, I question there job function or justification for the position. Our training dept is top notch no doubt, but what is that these people do? I know they are looking at ways to better the airline with automation....I've seen and talked with them about this (ie. ACARS, Electronic flight bags, Palm pilots for W & B info etc etc)
I just think that the jobs they perform don't require 5 day a week 9-5 jobs. I think they should instruct when we are short instructors and fly when we are short pilots, right now we are short both. For that matter they shgould really be out on line flying several trips a month to keep their fingers on the "heartbeat" of what really is happening out on line! Prime example of poor execution but good idea.....our newly introduced immediate action cards.....what a cluster fu$k. Even the instructors didn't have a say in these things and they haven't been given any guidance on how to teach it.
Little long winded.....sorry. What I am questioning though is the need for more managment at this company. We have an over abundance of middle managment at this company and I feel they are the problem here. Our top 2 people are ok but out of touch with the company because of the dilution of information they recieve from the middle mangment.
Just my humble opinion
Chao

 

[Medeco]

So, what your saying is that givin the chance, you would turn down the job they have if you were put in their shoes.

An opportunity to possibly get in there and help solve the problems you have seen on the line? As they have?

I would say the TS and WD, are doing just that. They have been around long enough to know whats happening on the line.

Middle management is a necessary evil, and I dont care to see corners cut in the training dept./engineering Dept.

Besides, isnt there only like 4 engineering guys? To me that is pretty slim for our fleet size.

People like CS need to get qualified on the jet and fly the line, and certainly needs to be kept out of Mgt., unfortunatly that wont happen.

Getting rid of Drew Bedson was a great start, and a great example of someone who made it to the top of a Flight ops. Dept. and only knew the ATR first hand.


Medeco

 

[Freebrd]

>>>I would say the TS and WD, are doing just that. They have been around long enough to know whats happening on the line.
Besides, isnt there only like 4 engineering guys? To me that is pretty slim for our fleet size.<<<<<

What about CA who found a sweetie in YUL, and got divorced because of that! Now CA has wrangled ASA into paying for an apartment there so that he can 'accept' new RJs as they are delivered to ASA. Wonder if he gets per diem 24 hours a day, seven days a week too? One wonders if Skip knows about this arrangement. Hey, eliminate this deal and save some money Skip!

 

[Freebrd]

And while we're at it, what about that rat RM, so-called 'contract administer' ? Get his lazy arse back on line, and into the crew lounge where we can let him have it for being a rat! Oh, then there's DR, who recently retired, and is now in recruiting. Geez, how many full time people do we need in recrutiing anyway. Send his arse back home!

There, how much money does that save Skip?

 

[Ailerongirl]

Lets not forget the fact that the public doesn't know what ASA is. They just think its Delta.

True for the general population, but I'm thinking that the ATL public is more cognizant of just who and what ASA is.

 

[bailout]

>True for the general population, but I'm thinking that the ATL public is more cognizant of just who and what ASA is.<

None of my local friends have ever heard of "ASA", and they are all DAL frequent flyers and actually fly on ASA quite a bit.

 

[Medeco]

And while we're at it, what about that rat RM, so-called 'contract administer' ? Get his lazy arse back on line, and into the crew lounge where we can let him have it for being a rat! Oh, then there's DR, who recently retired, and is now in recruiting. Geez, how many full time people do we need in recrutiing anyway. Send his arse back home!

There, how much money does that save Skip?

Freebird, that was the big mouth i was speaking of. The Apartment thing I dont know about but he does spend alot of time with the Factory people and our new airplane acceptance routine.

DR is a former CP who I flew one round trip with and found him to be a very good guy. Since ASA does not offer a pension even our most senior guys need income after 60. He told me he was keeping the intern program going after retirement. He was asked to teach Basic indoc in place of BW, who in fact is a useless pilot in the GO and should be put back online or fired.

Medeco

 

[Freebrd]

>>>>DR is a former CP who I flew one round trip with and found him to be a very good guy. <<<<<<

Perhaps you weren't here last contract when DR sat across the table from our name, the same as ND was doing this go around. If you were, do you recall the time he put out a memo that we were not to drink bottled water on the planes? Of course the memo last maybe a half day as the emtpies were piling up against his CP office door. Many more stories about this 'good guy', but I won't bore you with them. Bottom line, NOT a good guy!

BW, yeah, one does wonder about him. Now, who else can we pick on? hahaha

 

[Sinca3]

Don't even get me started on RM...what a complete $hit!
As for TS and WD...granted they are senior but do they really better the pilot group and make our lives easier? I like the ideas that come out of there, although the ideas really do originate from the line.
As for the sneak up in YUL...that's another great way to spend DAL $$.
Remember ND had a company funded apt/hotel here in ATL while he was system chief.
If the company really really wanted to save money they could do alot more than they are doing.