ASA ATR drivers whats up???

[boknowsASA]

Taking a look at the flow board and every ATR flight this morning except one left on-time or early...

Are you with us or against us?

Slow down those taxi speeds you guys/gals look like your SWA!

 

[rf285]

J.B.? Aka Joe Merchant?

 

[CFI2766]

Doin' our part, thank you.

Delayed 4 hours.

 

[DwayneWorthless]

They still have ATR's?

 

[BIGGOAT]

Sat night 7:15 pm and on-time is 76% and completion is 98.3%. That will show them.

Goat

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Sat night 7:15 pm and on-time is 76% and completion is 98.3%. That will show them.

Goat

hey that's pretty low for a Saturday where most aircraft have 1 1/2 hour sits in-between flights. Not many flights on a Sat.

 

[JoeMerchant]

J.B.? Aka Joe Merchant?

Yeah, I actually got us out of PFN early this morning..... could have made us late with a late duty in for crew rest, but told the station we would get it out on time. Not everyone is happy with ALPA.....

We can only fight one battle at a time... we must fix ALPA first and negotiate as a single voice with management..... until that time, ALPA get's no support from me and I am telling everyone that....

I'm not afraid to stand up to ALPA... they are all bark and no bite....

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Yup, John B was 100% on time for all his flights today. Good job, I'm sure Brian and Scott will leave a nice surprise in your mailbox, perhaps a $10 voucher you can use to nonrev on Delta mainline after 12/1.

 

[shamrock]

Yeah, I actually got us out of PFN early this morning..... could have made us late with a late duty in for crew rest, but told the station we would get it out on time. Not everyone is happy with ALPA.....

We can only fight one battle at a time... we must fix ALPA first and negotiate as a single voice with management..... until that time, ALPA get's no support from me and I am telling everyone that....

I'm not afraid to stand up to ALPA... they are all bark and no bite....

All that might be relevant if ALPA was responsible for everything that is going on right now.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yup, John B was 100% on time for all his flights today. Good job, I'm sure Brian and Scott will leave a nice surprise in your mailbox, perhaps a $10 voucher you can use to nonrev on Delta mainline after 12/1.

Actually no I wasn't.....

Neither the company, nor ALPA is going to reward me..... I don't drink the koolaid from either side and I have pi$$ed off both sides at various times....

ALPA is as much to blame as anyone else for the current quagmire and I will not support a failed union.... If you ALPA chesthumpers want to talk about reforming ALPA so that it becomes effective, then let me know...

 

[JoeMerchant]

All that might be relevant if ALPA was responsible for everything that is going on right now.

Actually shamrock, it is extremely relevant to our current situation.... ALPA is responsible for the loss of leverage and the competition within a brand.....

You can continue to be an ALPA lemming if you wish... I will continue to be "lemming road kill"......

 

[Redan]

Yeah, I actually got us out of PFN early this morning..... could have made us late with a late duty in for crew rest, but told the station we would get it out on time. Not everyone is happy with ALPA.....

We can only fight one battle at a time... we must fix ALPA first and negotiate as a single voice with management..... until that time, ALPA get's no support from me and I am telling everyone that....

I'm not afraid to stand up to ALPA... they are all bark and no bite....

JB, I'm sorry but it becomes ever more clear that you are a man with an agenda. Some might say, a personal vendetta. This is not an attack on you, but simply an observation. At least for this observer, the statements and opinions of those bearing an agenda have no relevance whatsoever.

I feel I'm not alone in my belief that this fight is not about ALPA. No, not at all. It is about US, THE PILOTS.

 

[ohplease!]

Actually shamrock, it is extremely relevant to our current situation.... ALPA is responsible for the loss of leverage and the competition within a brand.....

You can continue to be an ALPA lemming if you wish... I will continue to be "lemming road kill"......

John, I'm really dissapointed in you. This has nothing to do with supporting alpa. EVERYONE knows I'm no fan of alpa. This has EVERYTHING to do with supporting you, me and every other pilot and flight attendant at ASA. If alpa isn't going to step up and get this contract done and stop the loss of benefits and oppotunity for us, we MUST. I've been patient (vocal but patient) and have waited for alpa to finish this and they have proven time and time again that they are either unwilling or unable to get it done. Unable is my guess. Its time we, the ASA pilots and flight attendants use whatever we can to force this nonsense to come to an end. You need to get off your f'ed up little high pony and get with the program. da_mn man!

 

[PCL_128]

Good job, I'm sure Brian and Scott will leave a nice surprise in your mailbox

Maybe it's time for someone to leave a nice "surprise" in "Joe's" flight bag. It seems that he needs a little bit more motivation to be part of the team.

 

[ohplease!]

Maybe it's time for someone to leave a nice "surprise" in "Joe's" flight bag. It seems that he needs a little bit more motivation to be part of the team.

don't mess with people stuff. Thats just not right or even necessary. No matter what a selfish dick hes being.

 

[JoeMerchant]

JB, I'm sorry but it becomes ever more clear that you are a man with an agenda. Some might say, a personal vendetta. This is not an attack on you, but simply an observation. At least for this observer, the statements and opinions of those bearing an agenda have no relevance whatsoever.

I feel I'm not alone in my belief that this fight is not about ALPA. No, not at all. It is about US, THE PILOTS.

It is about US, THE PILOTS..... unfortunately, we "the pilots" are negotiating separately with management....

While ASA ALPA pilots are negotiating industry leading 700 rates, fellow ALPA carriers are negotiating 700 rates that are lower than our current rates.... this includes our mainline "brothers".....

Your absolutely right that I have an agenda..... as does every other ALPA pilot.... that is looking out for themselves.... it isn't personal as you have indicated, rather it is business.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

John, I'm really dissapointed in you. This has nothing to do with supporting alpa. EVERYONE knows I'm no fan of alpa. This has EVERYTHING to do with supporting you, me and every other pilot and flight attendant at ASA. If alpa isn't going to step up and get this contract done and stop the loss of benefits and oppotunity for us, we MUST. I've been patient (vocal but patient) and have waited for alpa to finish this and they have proven time and time again that they are either unwilling or unable to get it done. Unable is my guess. Its time we, the ASA pilots and flight attendants use whatever we can to force this nonsense to come to an end. You need to get off your f'ed up little high pony and get with the program. da_mn man!

Alan,

Aren't you moving on? There are many issues here and many viewpoints..... all valid.....

I agree that what is currently happening will have an affect.... but at what cost? Currently every seat at ASA is the highest in the DCI system except for 50 seat captain....

Our cnx pay is better than everyone, even the majors....UAL doesn't have CNX pay or duty rigs anymore.....

Should we make more? YES! However we are now faced with competing for flying.... We are competing with Mesa, CHQ, and now even mainline...... Should we be competing? NO......

On a local level, we have made numerous tactical errors from the beginning..... There have been numerous resignments and turnover on the CNC since negotiations began......

I was a leader in the '98 WOE campaign.... I tried to start one in 2001 during the CMR strike but nobody was interested..... The CMR strike was a HUGE loss......

If you or anyone else wants to hear "the other side of the story"..... give me a call...

404-219-4731...... ALPA has put us in this position, and this isn't the answer at this time.....

 

[ohplease!]

yes I am moving on but that doesn't mean I can't smell sh!t when its dropped. Look Jonh, wrong is wrong. period. Alpa can't close the deal and ASA obviously isn't going to do the right thing without pressure.

I may not be here to see this thing trough but I have friends that will. I'm tickled to death that something finally happened to spur enough people into doing something to change the outcome of these f'd up negotiations. Now all we have to do is keep enough people sufficiently pissed off to carry this through to an end.

 

[JoeMerchant]

yes I am moving on but that doesn't mean I can't smell sh!t when its dropped. Look Jonh, wrong is wrong. period. Alpa can't close the deal and ASA obviously isn't going to do the right thing without pressure.

I may not be here to see this thing trough but I have friends that will. I'm tickled to death that something finally happened to spur enough people into doing something to change the outcome of these f'd up negotiations. Now all we have to do is keep enough people sufficiently pissed off to carry this through to an end.

So you don't really care if ASA is around in 5 or 10 years? What if we are replaced by Mesa, CHQ, Pinnacle, Skywest, or mainline? That won't affect you, but it will affect me.... Different perspective don't you think?

ALPA could put a stop to the BS of competing within a brand for flying, but it refuses to even attempt it..... Therefor we are forced to compete..... I don't like it, but it is the result of a failed union...

On a local level, this contract could have been settled years ago, but your local leadership was controlled by BA and he is still on the ALPA payroll.....he too has an agenda....we ALL do......

 

[rumrnr78]

Joe- your job has been moved to the lowest bidder. Sad but true. If you are one of the aged 40 plus with 12+ years seniority and still hanging on you are committing career/earning suicide.
Forget ASA of the past and get out!! The scumbags that are running the company deserve what they get!
Move on and forward my ASA brothers and sisters!!

Cheers- Rum