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erikgigem

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In another thread, Sweptback said ASA was safe because their numbers were always above 99% completion. I pointed out ASA numbers compared to MESA (reported by the airlines to DOT)

ASA DOT NUMBERS

SEP 07 63.38% ontime 2.42% Cancelled Flights
OCT 07 63.64% ontime 2.08% Cancelled Flights
NOV 07 76.66% ontime 0.95% Cancelled Flights
DEC 07 64.05% ontime 2.67% Cancelled Flights
JAN 08 70.85% ontime 4.88% Cancelled Flights

MESA DOT NUMBERS

SEPT 07 82.8% ontime 1.72% Cancelled Flights
OCT 07 78.3% ontime 2.34% Cancelled Flights
NOV 07 76.8% ontime 2.85% Cancelled Flights
DEC 07 61.8% ontime 7.06% Cancelled Flights
JAN 08 68.8% ontime 6.50% Cancelled Flights

[SWEPTBACK] "Controllable completion factor is not reported to the government. It's an internal Delta metric. The above numbers reflect flights canceled by Delta to give their own aircraft priority."

According to the MESA Lawsuit, Delta is counting its own cancellations of your flights in its "metric". That is supposedly how it is cancelling the Mesa contract. If that is true, then all these ASA flights Delta cancels on a regular basis in Atlanta would be possible cause for Delta to cancel your contract as well (and all the other regionals Delta has). Comments please.

SOURCE: USA TODAY
http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2008/04/mesa-sues-delta.html
Mesa officials contend Delta is simply trying to find a way out of the contract, ccording to the Chicago Tribune (free registration). "Now that Delta wants out of the contract, it has contrived a new way of calculating completion rate that counts those cancellations against Mesa," Gillman tells AP. "This new interpretation is obviously unreasonable, because it would give Delta the ability to declare default whenever it wanted just by canceling enough of Freedom's flights," he says. Delta is sticking with its story, with spokeswoman Chris Kelly telling AP that "we will be canceling the contract because operational performance has fallen below minimum levels required under the contract."
 
In another thread, Sweptback said ASA was safe because their numbers were always above 99% completion. I pointed out ASA numbers compared to MESA (reported by the airlines to DOT)

ASA DOT NUMBERS

SEP 07 63.38% ontime 2.42% Cancelled Flights
OCT 07 63.64% ontime 2.08% Cancelled Flights
NOV 07 76.66% ontime 0.95% Cancelled Flights
DEC 07 64.05% ontime 2.67% Cancelled Flights
JAN 08 70.85% ontime 4.88% Cancelled Flights

MESA DOT NUMBERS

SEPT 07 82.8% ontime 1.72% Cancelled Flights
OCT 07 78.3% ontime 2.34% Cancelled Flights
NOV 07 76.8% ontime 2.85% Cancelled Flights
DEC 07 61.8% ontime 7.06% Cancelled Flights
JAN 08 68.8% ontime 6.50% Cancelled Flights

[SWEPTBACK] "Controllable completion factor is not reported to the government. It's an internal Delta metric. The above numbers reflect flights canceled by Delta to give their own aircraft priority."

According to the MESA Lawsuit, Delta is counting its own cancellations of your flights in its "metric". That is supposedly how it is cancelling the Mesa contract. If that is true, then all these ASA flights Delta cancels on a regular basis in Atlanta would be possible cause for Delta to cancel your contract as well (and all the other regionals Delta has). Comments please.

SOURCE: USA TODAY
http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2008/04/mesa-sues-delta.html
Mesa officials contend Delta is simply trying to find a way out of the contract, ccording to the Chicago Tribune (free registration). "Now that Delta wants out of the contract, it has contrived a new way of calculating completion rate that counts those cancellations against Mesa," Gillman tells AP. "This new interpretation is obviously unreasonable, because it would give Delta the ability to declare default whenever it wanted just by canceling enough of Freedom's flights," he says. Delta is sticking with its story, with spokeswoman Chris Kelly telling AP that "we will be canceling the contract because operational performance has fallen below minimum levels required under the contract."

And on another post, I pointed out the obvious. Delta's and ASA's numbers for performance out of ATL are roughly the same. The dynamics involved with operations into and out of ATL are complicated. When your Mainline partners performance isn't stellar, you know it's not just the regional affiliate. Anytime ASA has operated out of a different hub than ATL, ASA has performed exceptionally. Orlando will be a great showcase, as Cincinatti already is. DFW and SLC's numbers were awesome. Many, 100% completion days with exceptionaly on time performance. You don't think Delta understands this? United is rumored to give Mesa the boot as well. I do know Mr. Holt has been in recent Ground School's letting people know we are "talking" to United. Why would that be? Because United wants to increase their Express Connection Carriers--possible but doubtful..... My guess is they are ready to give Mesa the foot in the @ss and kick them out like they've done before.

Trojan
 
ASA and Pinnacle are the only two carriers that do 95-100% of their flying out of the ATL. ASA almost always beats Pinnacle, and Pinnacle has what, 4 airplanes?

When ASA had a DFW, SLC, LAX base (and at times, a larger concentration of flying out of CVG, TPA, or MCO) the non-ATL metrics were always better than the ATL ones. I'm not worried.
 
Rough Example

Here's a rough example of the performance numbers....

Completion Factor:
DL-98.5%
ASA- 97.8%

Departure 0:
DL- 47%
ASA- 39.3%

Arrival 0:
DL- 30.9%
ASA- 33.9%

Arrival 14:
DL- 54.6%
ASA- 53.7%

The performance numbers overall aren't that different. Departure 0 needs to come up, way up. With the new W&B ACARS going into effect Thurs. we should see these numbers steadily increase. Not surprisingly, but since D0 numbers are bad, so are Arrival 0..... This will go hand in hand as we work through our issues of ATL. Brad Holt is doing a great job and is changing the place. If ASA stays on course, we should be the most improved Airline for 2008, hands down. That's Brad Holt, certainly not Charlie Tutt or Scott Hall's doing. As they were part of the old regime that never worked. Amazing what some effective leadership does to this place

Trojan
 
Concerning Mesa's DOT numbers, since JO is such a trustworthy inividual then I am sure we can believe those numbers. Does Mesa use ACARS and if so then on what percentage of their fleet?

Goat
 
ASA (and others) need to support MESA?

Just wondering....what is Mesa doing to support the 5,000 or so unemployed Aloha employees?

I doubt JO is shedding a tear about them while he's running to court to sue Delta. How about the go! pilot who triumphantly raised his hands high when Aloha closed down? What is he doing?
 
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Just wondering....what is Mesa doing to support the 5,000 or so unemployed Aloha employees?

I doubt JO is shedding a tear about them while he's running to court to sue Delta. How about the go! pilot who triumphantly raised his hands high when Aloha closed down? What is he doing?

My guess is offering them employment at the bottom of the list with a promise of a quick upgrade.
 
I support some Mesa people.

We had a Mesa jumpseater yesterday. He said he prayed for Mesa to burn to the ground ASAP. I support that.
 
Finally someone (Mesa) has made a hamburger so cheap that nobody wants to eat it.
 
erikgigem,

The difference is in the contract. Every contract is different and when you look at the idiot running mesa, then you will understand that the contract mesa signed with Delta must suck.
 
Concerning Mesa's DOT numbers, since JO is such a trustworthy inividual then I am sure we can believe those numbers. Does Mesa use ACARS and if so then on what percentage of their fleet?

Goat

Just like the mesa flight in OMA that slid on icy taxiways into the ditch was canceled due to "weather"?
 

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