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This email is to notify you that the Flight Options Pilot’s Association has been formalized in an effort to represent the Flight Options pilot work force.

What is the Flight Options Pilot’s Association?
The majority of Flight Option Pilots agree that a third party communicator is needed between management and the pilot work force. There has to be one point of contact from the pilots to management and vice versa. The only option available for representation was the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, a nation wide organization that represents 1.4 million people in different fields across different regions. Flight Option pilots are not the Teamster’s sole and primary interest, therefore, the attention required by Flight Options’ pilot work force will not be met accordingly. The pilots need results quickly with a process developed that will create fair working conditions, competitive compensation and a communication process to voice concerns to management. This will not be provided for a substantial amount of time with Teamster representation. The Teamsters will only delay any improvements in working conditions by prolonged negotiation techniques.

Therefore, a group of Flight Options Pilots have joined together to create another option for representation. This group is initially privately funded and consists of no management, solely Flight Option line pilots. This organization is called the Flight Options Pilot’s Association, also called FOPA. The founders of FOPA will remain confidential until the current IBT vote has finished being conducted in an effort to avoid repercussions from management or the Teamsters. Once the Teamsters vote fails, FOPA will announce its representatives and intentions to management. This is also the first announcement to the management team of Flight Options. The purpose of FOPA is not to create a wall between management and the pilots but instead assist in organizing self-representation and an effective communication channel between both parties.

How FOPA works?
DO NOT vote for Teamster representation. This may be achieved by NOT calling the Teamster ballot telephone number. Once the Teamster ballot has failed, the Flight Options Pilot’s Association (FOPA) will announce to management their intent to represent the pilot work force and the names of the reps and their positions will be released. FOPA reps will hold five temporary positions; one president and four pilot representatives. The representatives will then begin formalization of FOPA per the agenda and schedule discussed below. The initial plan after announcement of the FOPA representatives will be to start a card campaign by distributing cards to the pilot work force. During the distribution of cards, FOPA reps will approach management with a copy of the Formalization Handbook and ask for an official signed agreement to conduct operations within these guidelines. These guidelines will solely establish practices that will protect FOPA affiliates from termination or repercussions from management and give basic guidelines to protect the pilot work force from mergers or acquisitions as well as any deductions in current benefits or compensation. This agreement will not change any current benefits and will be void upon a voted contract by the pilot work force; these are just guidelines for formalization of the FOPA organization. Upon managements agreement Bob Tyler will be asked to release the compensation plan he had announced before the Teamsters filed with the NMB. If management will not sign the Formalization Handbook agreement, FOPA founders will continue with the card campaign and file with the NMB for an official vote and except any repercussions imposed by Flight Option’s management. Upon receiving 35% of the pilot’s cards, FOPA will file the application with the NMB for an election. If the FOPA vote receives 50% plus 1 with the NMB, FOPA will then officially represent the Flight Options pilot work force. FOPA will then initiate a nomination period where any pilot interested in representing the pilot workforce will be able to submit their name. The applicants will complete the FOPA form 107, this form will state their background and why they should represent the pilots. The applicant information will be forwarded to the pilot group for review. Upon the review deadline an election will be held within the pilot workforce narrowing the representation group to 20 pilots (five pilots per future fleet type) and 5 president applicants. Application forms will be disseminated again. The pilot work force will then vote for 4 pilots to represent the pilot work force and one president to represent FOPA and act as a liaison between FOPA and Flight Option’s management. Initially, the elected FOPA reps will represent a variety of fleet types, as the company moves on with the go foreword plan of four aircraft types the reps will stream line their representation to a specific type of aircraft. The new FOPA representatives will then meet with the FOPA founders to formalize the association and establish the pass over from the founders to the elected positions. The association will then compile a list of concerns and requests from the pilot work force. Once a list of concerns is compiled the association will schedule an orientation with management representatives. At this orientation, FOPA representatives will begin negotiations with Flight Options management on a formal contract. During negotiations, FOPA reps will take into consideration all current competitive contracts.



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FOPA Schedule:
FOPA will begin distributing cards for a 35% collection to the NMB – March 6, 2006
Pilots apply to be FOPA reps – April 6, 2006
Pilots elect preliminary applicants – April 17, 2006 thru April 20, 2006
Pilots vote for final FOPA reps - May 1, 2006 thru May 4, 2006
Announcement of FOPA reps- May 8, 206
FOPA reps conduct orientation meeting – May 15, 2006. FOPA reps meet with management at end of June, 2006.

This schedule is a proposal and dates may vary due to Teamster activity. However, the time line for FOPA agreements is within 6 months of being voted as the representation of Flight Option pilots, which is excessively less than any Teamster contract negotiation. It may also take longer than 30 days to complete a card campaign; however, this is the initial goal of FOPA.

Benefits for choosing FOPA:
-One voice from pilot to management. One point of contact from management to the
pilots.
-No drawn out negotiation between Teamsters and Flight Options management
-Benefits and compensation packages will be created quicker
-Represented by line pilots that pilots will elect with no outside political influence.
-Each fleet will have a point of contact to voice their opinion.
-NO initiation dues or expected donations to the organization, unlike the Teamsters
- Southwest Airlines Pilot’s Association (SWAPA) is an exceptional union organization and is admired by many associations across the country. The working relationship between management and the pilots is a model for how FOPA intends to conduct operations.


FOPA dues:
Pilots will not pay dues until a contract has been voted on and approved by the pilot work force. Pilots will also not have to pay any initiation donations to FOPA. Dues will be collected at 1 percent of a pilot’s salary. The dues collected by FOPA will be placed into a banking account and all account activity will be accessible by the pilot work force. Dues collected will pay for the FOPA web site, attorney on retainer fees, misc. office expenses, representative compensation and additional costs occurred. Dues paid to FOPA will be solely for FOPA activity. Unlike the Teamsters who use YOUR 1.5% dues for all their other interests.

FOPA and Flight Options Management:
Flight Option’s management has NO involvement in FOPA. The founders of FOPA are not management and are line pilots that wish to have a long term career with the company. The pilots will elect their own representatives of who the pilots want and the founders will step aside and allow the organization of elected representatives to take control.

The Teamsters Vote:
The Teamsters are the union that has filed with the NMB, ANY vote for representation, ANY call-in vote, ANY write in vote, automatically gets counted for the Teamsters. ANY action requesting pilot representation during THIS NMB filing goes to the Teamsters side of the ledger. The Teamsters are the organizing activity that has made the current filing and they are in control of the current circumstances. Therefore, FOPA can not request to be added to the election nor may FOPA be a choice in the election. The only way to vote for FOPA is to not call in or write for representation on THIS current vote. The only way to vote NO for the Teamsters in the up-coming election is to NOT vote.

Representation:
The self representation model works. The SWAPA, the Southwest Airlines Pilot’s Association is an excellent example and is the model for FOPA. The SWAPA organization began in 1978 by a few pilots that wanted to represent the 100 line pilots. The organization filed with the NMB and was announced as official representation of the pilot’s of Southwest. SWAPA formulated a contract with management that was so good the pilots voted the contract in for 12 years. The working relationship between management and SWAPA is exceptional and is a true role model amongst many associations across the country.

Teamster vs FOPA
FOPA is NOT an ANTI UNION attempt. FOPA is providing another option for representation to the Flight Option’s pilot work force. The pilots will make their own choice of what will be the preferred representation for them. The Teamsters will make comments and accusations against FOPA, however, FOPA founders will not make any rebuttals or counter arguments against the Teamsters. FOPA will state the facts, what FOPA can offer and what benefits you will have under self representation. If you are not sure about the info you are receiving, please contact us and let us give you the facts about FOPA.

What now, how do we get this rolling and how can you help? DON’T CALL the number the NMB is sending to you. This will give a vote for the Teamsters and FOPA will not be able to do anything once the Teamsters are the controlling representatives. Once the vote has failed for the Teamsters, FOPA will make an official announcement of their campaign.

Conclusion:
We ask you to consider FOPA as an option for representation. Let pilots that you elect represent you and your needs.

This is not a last minute attempt to organize an internal union. This plan has been in development for awhile however, due to the brutal tactics of the Teamsters, the founders elected to hold the announcement.

Due to the tactics used by the Teamsters and by many pro-union activists, this email may get modified. To avoid that, the official FOPA flyer release is attached. If you did not receive the attachment, please email us directly for a copy.

Attached is the FOPA Formalization Handbook, which sets the guidelines for FOPA standard operating procedures and processes. This document is DRAFT form, however pilots may have access to this handbook to ensure process are developed. The final version of the handbook will be released upon FOPA’s card campaign.

In closure, IF YOU WANT FOPA REPRESENTATION, do not make any contact with the NMB no matter what propaganda is used by the Teamsters. Any contact at all may be used as a vote for Teamster representation.

Contact Information:
If anyone has a direct question about FOPA, please email us at [email protected]. FOPA is in progress of constructing an official web site to provide information to the pilot group, until then pilots are encouraged to email FOPA and request to be placed on the email list for updates and any new release of information.

Please forward this email to your fellow pilot contacts to ensure that all Flight Option’s pilots get the same information to make the best decision.

Sincerely,
Founders of FOPA
 
Are you kidding me?

To quote Doc "You're a daisy if you do!"
 
Ford and Harrison...

I'm your Huckleberry...


sorry...I got carried away with the Doc Holiday thing...
 
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Of course....the "founders" of FOPA realize that if a vote is negative, that the minimum wait is 1 year prior to any other vote for representation can take place, right? Oh, wait a second....they state that they will begin collecting votes to petition the NMB on March 6th, 2006....and that "FOPA reps will meet with management at the end of June 2006"....how does that work?!

I smell a rat....oh, no, I stand corrected....I smell a Harrison...and I smell a Ford...and I don't mean the actor! Wait....I was right the first time....I smell a rat..
 
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FracCapt said:
Of course....the "founders" of FOPA realize that if a vote is negative, that the minimum wait is 1 year prior to any other vote for representation can take place, right? Oh, wait a second....they state that they will begin collecting votes to petition the NMB on March 6th, 2006....and that "FOPA reps will meet with management at the end of June 2006"....how does that work?!

I smell a rat....oh, no, I stand corrected....I smell a Harrison...and I smell a Ford...and I don't mean the actor! Wait....I was right the first time....I smell a rat..

I smell a Barry!
 
Beatrix Kiddo said:
I think the 1108 outta ask for equal blackberry time... :beer:

You mean before the BB system is shut down, right? :D

Oh, what a horrible thing that would be for us FLOPS pilots.....especially since none of us have personal cell phones, and we can't hear the hotel phone when it rings.... :laugh:
 
What a joke!

The moment I saw this FOPA FUD I immediately got a vision of a group of about 5 SFO's and contract pilots who would lose their special treatment if a real union got voted in, knocking on the door of the Ford & Harrison "war room" in CGF and saying "Hey, guys, we've got a great idea....."
 
I heard it was called "FORMER MILITARY PILOTS WITH NICE PENSIONS WHO THINK ALL IS WELL ASSOCIATION".
 
Didn't Troy use something like this agains Sparta...? TC
 
Beatrix Kiddo said:
I think the 1108 outta ask for equal blackberry time... :beer:

How about a few anonymous blast emails to all the pilots.
This is pretty slick, gotta give them that.
 
This is exactly the tactic that killed the CommutAir union campaign!

In our case (an ALPA election in mid-2003), a few "senior line pilots" who lived in the company HQ's town were very vocal during the card campaign and the election. They insisted that ALPA was too big and didn't have our best interests at heart. They insisted an outside union would "kill the company," "force us into line bidding" (which we don't use), and so on.

What we needed was to keep it in-house and "in the family," and to that end, these pilots (particularly one, thanks a pantload, Dale) created a "Mutual Interest Committe," which would be a single voice for the pilot group to talk to management. Does this sound familiar?

Despite the hard work of the committee members, who genuinely believed that it would help, the organization had absolutely no power to negotiate anything. And that's exactly what we got in the end.

In August of 2003, I believe it was, the vote came up short with just 43% of our pilots voting. Not long after, our on-time bonus program was eliminated, and our medical premiums went up $1000 -- all unilateral changes that wouldn't have been possible if their terms were already in a union contract. Despite my annual barely-keep-up-with-inflation raise, my pay went down $1000 from '04 to '05.

And yes, CommutAir hired Ford and Harrison to help. What can I say? They played the game better than we did. I have no dog in this fight other than as another concerned, underpaid pilot who wants more for our whole occupation. Don't let them divide you. It worked on us, don't let it happen to you guys!

Thanks for reading.


P.S. - This is from Ford and Harrison's Web Page:
For Union-Free Employers we:
  • develop effective, lawful strategies to prevent unions from organizing, including advice on handling pre-union activities.
  • advise on proper handling of concerted activities, and NLRB and the National Mediation Board (NMB) representation proceedings.
  • handle investigations and, if necessary, trial and appeal of unfair labor practice charges.
Good luck guys. It's pretty well too late for the airlines, but it's not too late for the fractionals to nip this in the bud! We'll all be watching eagerly.
 
CA1900 said:
This is exactly the tactic that killed the CommutAir union campaign!

In our case (an ALPA election in mid-2003), a few "senior line pilots" who lived in the company HQ's town were very vocal during the card campaign and the election. They insisted that ALPA was too big and didn't have our best interests at heart. They insisted an outside union would "kill the company," "force us into line bidding" (which we don't use), and so on.

What we needed was to keep it in-house and "in the family," and to that end, these pilots (particularly one, thanks a pantload, Dale) created a "Mutual Interest Committe," which would be a single voice for the pilot group to talk to management. Does this sound familiar?

Despite the hard work of the committee members, who genuinely believed that it would help, the organization had absolutely no power to negotiate anything. And that's exactly what we got in the end.

In August of 2003, I believe it was, the vote came up short with just 43% of our pilots voting. Not long after, our on-time bonus program was eliminated, and our medical premiums went up $1000 -- all unilateral changes that wouldn't have been possible if their terms were already in a union contract. Despite my annual barely-keep-up-with-inflation raise, my pay went down $1000 from '04 to '05.

And yes, CommutAir hired Ford and Harrison to help. What can I say? They played the game better than we did. I have no dog in this fight other than as another concerned, underpaid pilot who wants more for our whole occupation. Don't let them divide you. It worked on us, don't let it happen to you guys!

Thanks for reading.


P.S. - This is from Ford and Harrison's Web Page:
Good luck guys. It's pretty well too late for the airlines, but it's not too late for the fractionals to nip this in the bud! We'll all be watching eagerly.

CA1900,

I wish your story could get passed around to all the FLOPS pilots. I hope they don't fall for this bull!
 
Looks like Ford and Harrison are trying a new tactic. The old ones didn't work with 1108. The gloves are off at FLOPS. Hang tough and together folks. It'll get uglier before it gets better. With or without a union.
 
Pervis posted:

The old ones (tactics) didn't work with 1108.

It didn't work because we had folks that had seen it all before. They in turn spread the word to us newbies and we all were prepared for the onslaught of management FUD.

Communication is the key. Keep your guys in the loop. When you fly with folks or just FBO rotting, ask if they are going to the websites and getting the gouge. If not be prepared to fill them in on site names or places to go to get informed. You'll be surprised how many out there are just waiting for it to fall in their laps. Seize the initiative!
 
This reminds me when ?

Remember during the RTA merge, when Ken Ricci used his marriage as an example: and I para-phrase, "when my wife and I get into an arguement I don't seek out union representation to mediate."

Oh, the good o'le days
 

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