Are you kidding me,

[AA717driver]

Didn't Troy use something like this agains Sparta...? TC

 

[Fozzy]

I think the 1108 outta ask for equal blackberry time... :beer:

How about a few anonymous blast emails to all the pilots.
This is pretty slick, gotta give them that.

 

[gkrangers]

Didn't Troy use something like this agains Sparta...? TC

Close, but point taken. Frikkin hilarious.

 

[CA1900]

This is exactly the tactic that killed the CommutAir union campaign!

In our case (an ALPA election in mid-2003), a few "senior line pilots" who lived in the company HQ's town were very vocal during the card campaign and the election. They insisted that ALPA was too big and didn't have our best interests at heart. They insisted an outside union would "kill the company," "force us into line bidding" (which we don't use), and so on.

What we needed was to keep it in-house and "in the family," and to that end, these pilots (particularly one, thanks a pantload, Dale) created a "Mutual Interest Committe," which would be a single voice for the pilot group to talk to management. Does this sound familiar?

Despite the hard work of the committee members, who genuinely believed that it would help, the organization had absolutely no power to negotiate anything. And that's exactly what we got in the end.

In August of 2003, I believe it was, the vote came up short with just 43% of our pilots voting. Not long after, our on-time bonus program was eliminated, and our medical premiums went up $1000 -- all unilateral changes that wouldn't have been possible if their terms were already in a union contract. Despite my annual barely-keep-up-with-inflation raise, my pay went down $1000 from '04 to '05.

And yes, CommutAir hired Ford and Harrison to help. What can I say? They played the game better than we did. I have no dog in this fight other than as another concerned, underpaid pilot who wants more for our whole occupation. Don't let them divide you. It worked on us, don't let it happen to you guys!

Thanks for reading.


P.S. - This is from Ford and Harrison's Web Page:

For Union-Free Employers we:

• develop effective, lawful strategies to prevent unions from organizing, including advice on handling pre-union activities.
• advise on proper handling of concerted activities, and NLRB and the National Mediation Board (NMB) representation proceedings.
• handle investigations and, if necessary, trial and appeal of unfair labor practice charges.

Good luck guys. It's pretty well too late for the airlines, but it's not too late for the fractionals to nip this in the bud! We'll all be watching eagerly.

 

[Frac Daddy]

This is exactly the tactic that killed the CommutAir union campaign!

In our case (an ALPA election in mid-2003), a few "senior line pilots" who lived in the company HQ's town were very vocal during the card campaign and the election. They insisted that ALPA was too big and didn't have our best interests at heart. They insisted an outside union would "kill the company," "force us into line bidding" (which we don't use), and so on.

What we needed was to keep it in-house and "in the family," and to that end, these pilots (particularly one, thanks a pantload, Dale) created a "Mutual Interest Committe," which would be a single voice for the pilot group to talk to management. Does this sound familiar?

Despite the hard work of the committee members, who genuinely believed that it would help, the organization had absolutely no power to negotiate anything. And that's exactly what we got in the end.

In August of 2003, I believe it was, the vote came up short with just 43% of our pilots voting. Not long after, our on-time bonus program was eliminated, and our medical premiums went up $1000 -- all unilateral changes that wouldn't have been possible if their terms were already in a union contract. Despite my annual barely-keep-up-with-inflation raise, my pay went down $1000 from '04 to '05.

And yes, CommutAir hired Ford and Harrison to help. What can I say? They played the game better than we did. I have no dog in this fight other than as another concerned, underpaid pilot who wants more for our whole occupation. Don't let them divide you. It worked on us, don't let it happen to you guys!

Thanks for reading.


P.S. - This is from Ford and Harrison's Web Page:
Good luck guys. It's pretty well too late for the airlines, but it's not too late for the fractionals to nip this in the bud! We'll all be watching eagerly.

CA1900,

I wish your story could get passed around to all the FLOPS pilots. I hope they don't fall for this bull!

 

[Pervis]

Looks like Ford and Harrison are trying a new tactic. The old ones didn't work with 1108. The gloves are off at FLOPS. Hang tough and together folks. It'll get uglier before it gets better. With or without a union.

 

[Hogprint]

Pervis posted:

The old ones (tactics) didn't work with 1108.

It didn't work because we had folks that had seen it all before. They in turn spread the word to us newbies and we all were prepared for the onslaught of management FUD.

Communication is the key. Keep your guys in the loop. When you fly with folks or just FBO rotting, ask if they are going to the websites and getting the gouge. If not be prepared to fill them in on site names or places to go to get informed. You'll be surprised how many out there are just waiting for it to fall in their laps. Seize the initiative!

 

[p3hawk]

This reminds me when ?

Remember during the RTA merge, when Ken Ricci used his marriage as an example: and I para-phrase, "when my wife and I get into an arguement I don't seek out union representation to mediate."

Oh, the good o'le days